RABBI LEVY:
Happy Holy-day. Holy-days and seasons for rejoicing.

When Rabbi Yehuda asked me, like every Feast of Tabernacles and Passover, to come here and give a lesson; I had prepared something about The Messiah.
And I didn’t know that – blessed be His name, that on the path one wants to follow,
The Holy Blessed One would send me such Help from Heaven.
The posters were printed, and hung.
Here, the young man sitting on my right, his name is Natan; He is not from Jerusalem.
I will begin with an introduction, and say,
He went through a very difficult experience, and in a moment he will tell you what he saw and what messages he received.
What is difficult for people to understand, what’s hard to understand here is that he is only 15 years old.
And when the soul leaves the body it can receive huge amounts of information in just minutes.
That means that what takes years for a person here in this world to learn, there, in that world, one can know and understand all within a matter of minutes – everything.
So he has a lot to tell, it’s hard for him to tell it, he also doesn’t have the exact words to describe what he experienced.
Because they aren’t things of this world at all.
Since yesterday I have been sitting with him, and encouraging him, and gleaning information from him.
And little by little you will see that he knows a lot of things.
So I will begin by saying this:
He is not from Jerusalem.
On Monday, the 15th of Tishrei, this week, on the first day of Feast of Tabernacles
(September 28, 2015), he went with his mother to visit his uncle, in Modiin.
In the afternoon, he began to shiver.
He felt cold in his legs and arms.
He thought he needed to rest.
He went to lay down and rest.
And then, what happened after that – we will let him tell you what happened, because it was him.
He felt like he left his body through his nose, and he floated above himself, and at first didn’t understand who he was.
Where his “self” was.
The self that is lying here on the bed, or the self that is floating here above.
Shall we being, Natan?

NATAN:
Yes. So what happened is like this. First of all, I was very sick that day.
And the day before that I also was all dizzy.
I had fainted the day before.
Now, on Monday afternoon, I also didn’t feel well, and my whole body was shaking and all.
I went to rest, I got in bed, I covered myself with a blanket because I was really cold.
I don’t know how to explain it. My whole body was shivering and I was in a lot of pain.
I felt like I suddenly left my body, and then I saw myself in the bed.
I was about 6 feet above the bed.
I didn’t understand if that was me there, then who am I here?
Or, who is the one above my bed?
And I wasn’t able to understand it.
Then I started to float, like I am going up in the air without an elevator.
And I rose up and left the room, and I went higher and higher and higher.

NATAN:
Should I keep telling the story?

RABBI LEVY:
Yes. Tell about how you saw planet earth.

NATAN:
And then I saw the Earth from far away and I continued to go even higher and higher, and then what happened was… I don’t know how to explain it.
Suddenly out of nowhere,
I entered a sort of tunnel, really huge, and I see at the end of the tunnel a very small light.
And it was like, I was in a tunnel. I don’t know how to explain it.
There were like these circles, and more circles.
And inside you see lots and lots of souls.
And then I just started walking, and the light got bigger and bigger, and finally you reach that light.
And that light – I don’t know how to explain it – it was good.
You feel safe, and love – it’s impossible to explain.

RABBI LEVY:
Is there any example in this world of a light like that?
Can you compare the light you saw to anything that is in this world?

NATAN:
No. It’s impossible! You can’t explain it. You can’t explain it. I don’t know.
And it was like, the light just spoke with me. Like, it didn’t say words. It was like telepathy.
You understand it’s talking to you, and asking you questions.
It asked me if I wanted to die.
If I want to…I understood that if I crossed the line of the light, then I wouldn’t be able to go back. I understood.
I answered that I didn’t know. I had no idea what to do. I don’t know, don’t know.
And then what happened was, I just walked away from there.
Suddenly I entered a hall. A huge hall. Huge, huge, gigantic, gigantic. Gigantic.
And there were lots and lots of people. All the people were dressed in nice clothes.
They were dressed very well, and I saw myself.
And I was wearing torn clothing, stained with blood. I felt very ashamed.
And all the people were there for me, and they were happy, and they applauded me and everything.
And I entered the hall and I saw Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and he shook my hand. I saw him there.
And I saw lots of other people I know who died. Lots and lots of people, also who I didn’t know.
So I was in that big hall.
And what happened to me was, I just went inside, and there was a very high stage.
And on the stage were these three lights.
There was a very high light, and that was the middle one.
And on the right side was a small light, and on the left side a small light.

RABBI LEVY:
What were those lights?

NATAN:
They were like… somebody testifying about you.
The light on the right reveals the bad things you did, and the light on the left reveals the good things you did.

RABBI LEVY:
There was a court there?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And do you know who was presiding over the court?
If there were judges there….who were the judges?

NATAN:
Yes. There was Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who was the head of the judges…

RABBI LEVY:
The head of the court?

NATAN:
Yes. The head of the court.

RABBI LEVY:
And who was with him? Was there another rabbi with him?

NATAN:
I think Rabbi Eliyashiv.

RABBI LEVY:
Rabbi Eliyashiv was with him?

NATAN:
Yes. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And who was the third?

NATAN:
I don’t remember. That, I don’t remember. I really don’t remember.
When I try to remember, I can’t.

RABBI LEVY:
And then there was good things and the bad things?

NATAN:
Yes. There were the two small lights.
On the right side you have the bad things, and on the left the good things.
You just see this kind of light. And you know – you know what it is. You know what that light is.

RABBI LEVY:
You know on your own, without being told.

NATAN:
Yes. You know what it is. You know what that thing is.
And then suddenly – suddenly it was quiet.
Suddenly all the noise that was in that hall, all the hundreds of people – it was all suddenly totally silent.
And then the bad light started to reveal everything bad that I had ever done in my life.
Really, every single thing.
They are strict there about every little thing.
Every little thing you do you in your life – they show it all to you.
Everything, everything, everything.
It just talked to me about everything.
Everything, it just talked to me about every single second of my life.
Why did you say such and such, and why did you do such and such, and why this, and why that?

RABBI LEVY:
Sins?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And when that was said to you, how did you feel?

NATAN:
You feel ashamed. It’s a huge embarrassment. Something that can’t be explained.
It’s a huge embarrassment. Really, really embarrassing. I felt very ashamed.
Because all the people are looking at you, and they are showing you your life.
It’s really very embarrassing.
He shows you that bad things you did.
Why did you do this, why that?

RABBI LEVY:
Until where do they show you?

NATAN:
Until the time when you left your body.

RABBI LEVY:
Everything?

NATAN:
Everything.

RABBI LEVY:
In your whole life?

NATAN:
Every second.

RABBI LEVY:
Every action?

NATAN:
Every action.

RABBI LEVY:
Even hand washing? Everything?

NATAN:
Not only the good deeds and sins. They show you every single second of your life.

RABBI LEVY:
What you did with it?

NATAN:
Yes. Exactly.
And so, he tells me all the bad things I did, and everything.
And then he finished speaking, and the good voice began. Discussing all the good things I did.
And then – you don’t understand what – how much reward you receive for the smallest thing you do. Really!
The feelings of shame, and everything, and then the moment he said something really really little that I did – a little good deed – the littlest thing that you do is considered there to be huge. Huge.
And when they said the littlest good deed I did I felt like, “Wow. It’s so great that I wore my tassel that day. It’s so great I did such and such. It’s so great. So great!”
The littlest thing there overturns entire worlds. I don’t know how to explain it. It’s like…

RABBI LEVY:
Reward? How do you know there is a reward for that?

NATAN:
You see that, the moment there is a reward, they say to you “Righteous one, Righteous one!”
All the people cheer for you, “Righteous one, Righteous one!”
And there is that light that I saw there in the beginning, that I saw there.
The bigger the light is, you understand that the reward you have coming to you is bigger.
The stronger the light gets.

RABBI LEVY:
And regarding the sins, what happens?

NATAN:
First of all, there are people there that are called “angels of destruction” that I saw there.
They are kind of short. They have beards. In their eyes, there is fire.
And they show you the sins you did, everything.
Every time they mention a sin, they show you fire.
And everyone shouts at you, “Wicked, Wicked, Wicked!”
Just like when you did something good they shout, “Righteous one, Righteous one”, so they shout “Wicked, Wicked” about everything.
It’s very embarrassing. It’s both good and bad. I don’t know how to explain it.
And then, what happened, is that two people took me. With wings.
They just took me, and held both of my arms.
They didn’t really have arms. I saw everything. I saw something in front and in back. I looked…

RABBI LEVY:
Can you see in front and in back? And also on the sides?

NATAN:
Also on the sides.

RABBI LEVY:
At that moment, you can see everything around.

NATAN:
Yes. I could sense everything happening to my body, at the moment, and what was happening in the world. I could sense everything that was happening in the world. I knew everything.
But it didn’t interest me. I didn’t care.

RABBI LEVY:
It’s possible be know, but it’s not interesting?

NATAN:
It’s not interesting.
And what happened is that those people just took me – I don’t know how to explain it.
They took me to a lower hall. I was in a sort of hall, and they took me to a hall below it.
Now, in that hall where I was, it was a place called “The Lower Garden of Eden”.
They took me there.
And then they suddenly showed me a gate, and they opened the gate – those two people.
And I saw people studying The Torah.
And I saw the light there, and it was just something really huge.
Really beautiful. The light I saw in the beginning was nothing compared to that light.
Nothing. Nothing at all.
This was something good.
That was the “The Lower Garden of Eden”. Just think – there were higher levels than that!

RABBI LEVY:
Can you describe what it was like?

NATAN:
It’s not possible. It’s something good, something beautiful.
A feeling like you just want to stay there with them and study The Torah with them.
Just to stay there in that place, and never leave.

RABBI LEVY:
What do you see? What do you hear? What do you smell?

NATAN:
You smell a good smell, just a good smell. Just like there are good smells here.
But it just can’t be described in this world, what that good smell is that you smell.
What you smell there… And you see the light, and you just want to stay there forever.
For always.
You don’t have things there like we have here, material things, and things like that.
There, it’s all spiritual.
And it’s something good, something beautiful. It’s a feeling.
Every feeling is a good and wonderful feeling.

RABBI LEVY:
And you understand that’s only the entrance to The Garden of Eden.

NATAN:
I felt that it was only the entrance. Yes.
There was also the inside.
And there were also higher levels.
That was the lowest level.
It was called “The Lower Garden of Eden”.

RABBI LEVY:
Now, there is also the other side that they showed you.

NATAN:
There is also the other side. Yes. Now, when…

RABBI LEVY:
God created one opposite the other.

NATAN:
And then, they took me, those two people I told you about.
Remember I told you there were these angels of destruction with those beards?
I’ll tell you how they look.
First of all, they are dressed all in black.
They have long, long, long beards. Inside their eyes – there is fire.
Those people with the wings at first wanted to take me into that The Lower Garden of Eden.
And then the two people, those “angels of destruction” said, “No! Not so fast!
You can’t – just like you got here, we want to take you somewhere else.”
Now, those two people just took me. The angels of destruction took me.
And they took me to a place with a scale. With huge scales.
They showed me my sins and my good deeds.
Every single thing.
Like I told you before, the smallest good deeds there overturn entire worlds.
Really! You get a huge reward!
When you make a blessing, it’s something really, really, really gigantic.
Something really huge.
And also a sin.
The smallest thing is also something really, really, really big.

RABBI LEVY:
It’s not worth it.

NATAN:
It’s not worth it at all to sin.

RABBI LEVY:
Little ones!

NATAN:
Yes, the littlest ones. The smallest that there are, are really not good.
And then, they put my good deeds on the scale, like this.
And it was huge!
You see here the good deeds here and the sins here.
They put them on the scale.
And you actually see it.
Here the good deeds and here the sins.
And then they show you which total is the bigger.
And at first it looked like more sins, but in the end I saw there were more good deeds.
I was really happy.

RABBI LEVY:
You are fortunate.
Because you are less than twenty years old.

NATAN:
Yes. And afterwards they also told me,
“If you are up here more than three hours, you can’t go back down.”
And I felt like I had been up there for years, but they told me I had only been there for a few minutes.
And that was actually right. After I went back down, the whole thing was only fifteen minutes.
And they told me up there that after three hours you can’t go back down.

RABBI LEVY:
Tell them a little bit about Hell.

NATAN:
Hell? Ok.

RABBI LEVY:
Not a lot. Just a little.

NATAN:
Ok.

NATAN:
Now, in the beginning, I told you, I went higher and higher and higher.
And the whole time I was there in that world,
I saw thousands of other things that I can’t explain to you.
I saw millions of things.
I can’t explain it all.
But, a lot! Now, when I was up there I also heard something very, very, very scary.
I saw – that is, I heard, and I also saw – when I went up…
I saw, just – I heard screaming.
Terrible screaming.
You can’t imagine.
You can’t.
And the sins that you do, those sins end up there, and you’ll go there.
Those sins – it isn’t worth it.
Believe me.
You can’t imagine what I saw there.
I saw…what things. I heard people screaming “Ahh, waahhh!”
Like that. Just screaming from below.
Powerful screams.
And what you think, what I felt at that moment, is that…in Hell, there are several places.
That’s what I understood. I understood there are a few places.
I also understand what you feel in each place. In each place, the feeling is worse and worse.
Now, you feel – you feel what it feels like in each and every place. And it’s very frightening. Because every place there is very scary.
And you feel the place. You know what it feels like there.

RABBI LEVY:
Do you know what those places are called?

NATAN:
Yes. I remember some of them.

RABBI LEVY:
Do you remember from there?

NATAN:
I remember from there – yes – what they were called.

RABBI LEVY:
Can you give us names?

NATAN:
I remember one place that was called “Shadow of Death”.
That was a place that wasn’t good at all.
I remember another place called “The Pit”.
I just saw rooms and rooms like classrooms.
And from those rooms, fire shot out.
Fire just shot out. I don’t know how to explain it.
Something scary.
I don’t know how to explain it in words.
I don’t know.

RABBI LEVY:
Scary.

NATAN:
Very scary. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And all those names, you know from when you were there?

NATAN:
I know that from when I was there.

RABBI LEVY:
I know it on your own?

NATAN:
I know it on my own, and I also knew which people were there, and I knew how much time they were there, and I knew what those places felt like.
I knew what it felt like to be there.
The feeling.
And it wasn’t at all pleasant.

RABBI LEVY:
What else was there?

NATAN:
What else did I see? I saw a place like – I just saw the universe.
And I saw lots and lots of souls wandering about the universe.
Lots. Lots of souls wandering around the universe.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What’s a soul?
What did you see?
What do you mean you saw a soul?

NATAN:
I don’t really know how to explain it.
A soul is, like a sort of wind.
There are no arms or legs.
You look at somebody – he doesn’t have eyes, a mouth, and all that.
He has a voice – you know who the person is, and you can talk to him.
You don’t see a body, a person, a face.
You don’t see that.
But you know who that person his.
You know who he is, and you can talk to him, and you can hear his voice, and you know everything about him.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you ask why you went there?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you ask why you went there?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you ask why you went there?

NATAN:
Yes. They told me that…they told me first of all, that every little thing you get in life, every little bump, the smallest injury – it’s all from Heaven.
Everything is from Heaven.
So they told me that also that – they told me because I had to go there, I went there.
I had to go there.

RABBI LEVY:
Ok. Let’s get back to that tour.
Let’s call it a tour.
After they showed you that there is The Garden of Eden, and after they showed you there is Hell,
There is a huge reward for good deeds…

NATAN:
A huge reward for good deeds.

RABBI LEVY:
And a severe punishment for sins – even for the smallest sins…

NATAN:
…for small sins. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
 Now what? They sent you back to where?

NATAN:
Now…it’s like…

RABBI LEVY:
In short, they were teaching you something like, “Choose.”

NATAN:
Yes. Choose.

RABBI LEVY:
And you choose?

NATAN:
You choose.
Yes. It’s obvious you’ll choose between bad and good, and good and bad.
And there are cases when you can’t choose.
There are instances when you did sins. They finished all the…

RABBI LEVY:
But every man in this world…has a choice?

NATAN:
He has the choice.

RABBI LEVY:
He comes with a choice?

NATAN:
Yes. But…

RABBI LEVY:
If he did a good deed? He gets a very big reward.

RABBI LEVY:
If he sinned, heaven forbid, he gets a big punishment for that.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And it’s according to a person’s choice.

NATAN:
But when you are up there, you can’t choose any more.

RABBI LEVY:
There’s no choice.

NATAN:
You have no choice.

RABBI LEVY:
In death we are free. “For once a man dies, he is free of the good deeds.”

NATAN:
What you did, you did, and you can no longer fix anything.
And then – let me tell you what I saw after that.
They asked me if I want to stay there or not.
I told them that after three hours I can’t stay.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
We can’t hear.

NATAN:
Yes, sorry. Can you hear now?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
He had a pleasant experience?

NATAN:
Yes, both pleasant and not so pleasant.

RABBI LEVY:
He doesn’t want to remember the things that weren’t so good.

NATAN:
Yes, I don’t want to remember.
And then…

RABBI LEVY:
He decided that he is repenting”.
And he knows that after 120 years, when he goes back, he will go to The Garden of Eden.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Tell them, can you tell them a little about how you were shouted at!

NATAN:
When they shouted at me?

RABBI LEVY:
Yes.

NATAN:
What shouting?

RABBI LEVY:
About the tassel?

NATAN:
Ah! What – which tassel?

RABBI LEVY:
About your father?

NATAN:
And then they told me that there are things I need to fix, such as wearing my tassel.
It’s something very important.
When I was there I also understood how important that is.
I understood how much my tassel is something huge and it really brings a huge reward.
I am telling you, the blessing you make is a huge reward.
Gigantic! You turn worlds over there.
So the tassel is Wow!!! Like, huge.
And after that they told me – remember I told you that they said that I could stay there for up to three hours at the most?
So in the beginning – the moment I saw The Garden of Eden I said, “I want to stay here.
I want to stay here.” But after that they showed me the other side, and all that.
They asked me if I wanted to stay.
I said I would prefer to go back down.
Why?
Because I felt that I could…that if I went back down I could sin more – ah – more good deeds, earn more reward, more of everything.
I could, like, earn a greater reward.
And do more good deeds.
And reach an even higher level.
So, why would I want to stay there and not do that?
So I said that I would rather go back down, and they sent me back down.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did they tell you why you went up there?
Did you have some merit? What?

NATAN:
They told me that I was up there because I had merit.
Yes, they told me that.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Whose merit? Of your ancestors?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
A merit of your ancestors? Your father? Grandfather?

NATAN:
Yes. Yes. That’s what they told me. They said I had a merit.
That I got there, that I didn’t get there randomly.
That’s what they told me.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Were you wearing your tassel?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Were you wearing your tassel?

NATAN:
Before that I barely wore it.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
And now?

NATAN:
Now I’m wearing it, yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Now he has his tassel, praised be God’s name!!!
[Audience applauds]

NATAN:
So, are you listening? So after that – when I decided I want to go down,
I saw something a million times more frightening than everything else I had seen.
Everything!
What I saw, when I decided to go down – they said, “No problem, you’re going down.”

RABBI LEVY:
Tell us what the process was. I wasn’t there.

NATAN:
Ok. So, just, what I saw – at first I didn’t understand who he was,
I didn’t understand what that thing was.
I saw a person. A regular person, really regular.
He actually had arms and legs and a head and everything.
But he was really tall, gigantic, gigantic, gigantic!!!
Like he never ended.
You look up like this [tilts his head upwards] and you can’t see the end of him.

RABBI LEVY:
What did he look like?

NATAN:
He was all eyes. All eyes.

RABBI LEVY:
All eyes?

NATAN:
And fire came out of his eyes! It was really scary – scary!
And you feel like you can’t run away from him.
You can’t escape from him no matter what. You can’t. He’s with you everywhere.
He doesn’t leave you. Seriously.

RABBI LEVY:
Was that an angel?

NATAN:
It was the Angel of Death.
Based on what I saw there and what I understood there.

RABBI LEVY:
You understood it was the Angel of Death?

NATAN:
I understood it was the Angel of Death.

RABBI LEVY:
Did he speak with you?

NATAN:
Yes, he held me. He had a sort of pitchfork in his hand. And he held me like this.

RABBI LEVY:
How many teeth did it have?

NATAN:
What? A lot.

RABBI LEVY:
Not eyes. Teeth.

NATAN:
Teeth? It had teeth.

RABBI LEVY:
The pitchfork?

NATAN:
What?

RABBI LEVY:
The pitchfork?

NATAN:
Yes. It had three teeth [prongs].

RABBI LEVY:
Three?

NATAN:
Yes. Three.
And then, and then what I saw after that, he came to me like this.
It was something so scary I can’t even describe what it was.
What that person was. What that thing was.
It was really scary, and it was like he just held me like this [on my chest] with his sword, with that pitchfork.
Something scary, terrifying, and terrible. He held onto me here on my chest.
According to what I said before, there is significance to where they hold you. Right?

RABBI LEVY:
And where did he hold you?

NATAN:
He held me on my chest. Here.

RABBI LEVY:
And what did he say to you?

NATAN:
He said to me, “Do a lot of good deeds. Why? In the end you pay.
Even if you don’t do anything, you will pay in the end.”
He told me that what I had seen there was nothing.
And he spoke to me in a frightening voice.

RABBI LEVY:
What voice does he have? A pleasant voice? Frightening?

NATAN:
No, no, no. Not pleasant at all.

RABBI LEVY:
What voice did he have?

NATAN:
Really loud. Something like…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
uuowwwwaaa!!!!

NATAN:
Yes.
[audience laughs]

NATAN:
No, really. This is serious. This isn’t a joke. But something scary.
I am telling you this, as though it was all terrific and everything.
But it was really scary.

RABBI LEVY:
He’s trying to make out of this….

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Now can you tell me how much time you were up there? How many days? Nights?

NATAN:
Fifteen minutes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How long?

NATAN:
Fifteen minutes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Fifteen minutes – all those stories?

NATAN:
Fifteen minutes.

RABBI LEVY:
Yes Gentleman. That is what I said at the beginning.
It’s hard to understand.
But, what we can acquire in years of learning.
There you can understand everything in one minute.
Take note of what he is saying. He says, “I understand on my own and see on my own.”
And everyone who…he isn’t the first who was there and came back.
I personally know many, many more like him – they all say the same thing.
A huge amount of information, in a second.
That means that a person can be in one place, and know where his father is and where is mother is. What is happening with them.

NATAN:
I knew everything.

RABBI LEVY:
Every event of his life pass before his eyes.
And just – it’s just the world of truth.
In the world of truth everything is revealed.
There is nothing hidden.
The soul can receive…there is no limit to what it can receive.
We are here in this world, and we are limited in what we can receive.
But there – there are no limits. The soul is not limited.
Therefore, a person can in just minutes acquire matter and information, and everything that happens there – all in just one or two minutes.
Fifteen minutes is a long time.

NATAN:
Yes. It’s a lot of time.

RABBI LEVY:
In terms of Above – fifteen minutes is a lot, a lot of time.
We also know that Rabbi Isaac Luria, may his memory protect us, said that during the Third Meal (of Sabbath) he would doze for a minute or two.
When He was asked, “Rabbi, where were you?”
He said, “I was Above. I heard new interpretations on The Torah.”
“So tell us some of the interpretations.”
And then he would say,
“Only if you have seventy years to spend for me to explain those two minutes.”

NATAN:
Yes. I saw a lot. A lot of things.

RABBI LEVY:
That means that there, there is no explanation.
There is no…. sitting in classes, and somebody comes and teaches you, and gives you a test.
And if you don’t understand, you take a retest.
But that doesn’t happen there.
It’s just…you get there and you know the truth on your own, instantly!

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is there time there? Or is there no time?

RABBI LEVY:
There is no time. It is a dimension beyond time.
When he says fifteen minutes – that is in his concept. There, it’s a world of eternity.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
He said that it makes a difference where they grabbed him?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
You said it makes a difference where they hold – where he holds you? He held your chest.
Why did he hold you by the chest?

NATAN:
It’s not good.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Ah. In the chest is not good?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What’s the bottom line? Would you want to go back up for another visit?

NATAN:
It depends on which places.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
But to some of the places, yes?

RABBI LEVY:
Would you want to make the same rounds, would you want to do the same thing again?

NATAN:
Ah…

RABBI LEVY:
He only wants the good things. He doesn’t want to remember the bad things.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
So you wouldn’t advice anyone to visit up there?

NATAN:
I wouldn’t advise anybody. I would advise it, but only the good things.

RABBI LEVY:
He advises us to…learn The Torah, fulfill good deeds.
The reward is great.
And in that way man won’t suffer there, above.
And he will receive a great reward.
And he will say again, repeat, and emphasize that what they showed him there at the gates of The Garden of Eden – that was only…

NATAN:
The beginning.

RABBI LEVY:
Only the beginning. The lowest, lowest level.
Now you say that you are a soul there.
In the form of a soul there, you understand things automatically.

NATAN:
I understood things automatically. I know what will happen in the future.

RABBI LEVY:
You have no questions.
Everything is clear to you, and you know.
You just arrive at a place and you already know what and who.
You see a soul and you know who it was in life.
You see a soul in Hell and you know what he did and how he feels.
You don’t need to ask.
You know everything alone.

NATAN:
I also know what will happen in the future.

RABBI LEVY:
Let’s go to that hour when they opened The Garden of Eden…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
You know what will be in the future?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What do you know?

RABBI LEVY:
When they opened The Garden of Eden, what did you understand?

RABBI LEVY:
Excuse me. Excuse me for a moment.
Questions at the end. Ok?
No. No. Don’t answer. Don’t answer.
When they opened The Garden of Eden, so he explained to us that it was the lowest level, the lowest of all levels.
And you saw people there sitting and studying The Torah.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Can you tell us who those people were?

NATAN:
I saw people.

RABBI LEVY:
Not names and where they lived, but what type of people they were.

NATAN:
What kind of people they were?
They weren’t avrechim (full time The Torah scholars) or anything like that.
They were just people who set aside times for their The Torah.

RABBI LEVY:
They set aside times for The Torah study?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And you understand that there is more than that.

NATAN:
I understood that there was more, a lot more than that!!!

RABBI LEVY:
So avrechim are more?

NATAN:
Avrechim are more.

RABBI LEVY:
There are higher levels?

NATAN:
Higher. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And what do you think the highest level is?

NATAN:
The throne of glory.

RABBI LEVY:
And who reaches that level?

NATAN:
Anyone who repents.

RABBI LEVY:
Anyone who repents?

NATAN:
Yes. But not from fear of punishment.
But from disgust of sin, from reverence of Heaven.
That is how I understood it.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
That is the highest level?

NATAN:
The very, very highest.
The higher level you go – you remember the light I told you about?
That light there is bigger.

RABBI LEVY:
Who teaches the others?

NATAN:
Wow, wow!!!!
I am telling you that a blessing, a blessing is huge. Oh wow!!

RABBI LEVY:
Just a blessing, from The Torah, that is something huge there.

NATAN:
Gigantic!

RABBI LEVY:
So a The Torah lesson is bigger than the biggest, and if you teach others –

NATAN:
Wow!!!!

RABBI LEVY:
That’s…good, wonderful.
Now wait. Wait a second.
Just a second – I want to go back…we want to go back to that point.
Before we lost direction here.
I want to go back to that point where you are there, and you understand everything yourself.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
So they showed you the two ways, that there is here and there.
But the audience sitting here more or less knows all of that.
That there is this and that.
You are just coming now and strengthening for us what we read in the books and learn.
Now, what is more interesting for us.
I want to ask you questions about The Messiah.

NATAN:
Okay. Great.

RABBI LEVY:
Could you know who The Messiah was?

NATAN:
I couldn’t know. I could only know what his traits were.
What he needs to be in order to be The Messiah.

RABBI LEVY:
And can you tell us if he is here or there?

NATAN:
He’s here. He must be here. It can’t be that The Messiah is dead. That can’t be.

RABBI LEVY:
That can’t be?

NATAN:
It has to be somebody who is here, who people know.
But, when he becomes The Messiah, everybody will be surprised.

RABBI LEVY:
That means that when The Messiah with God’s help is revealed – it will be a surprise?

NATAN:
A huge surprise!

RABBI LEVY:
And people will say, “Ah! That’s The Messiah.”

NATAN:
It will be like, “Wow!!!! That’s The Messiah?” Like that.

RABBI LEVY:
Good. Now I want to go back to something else.
You say that you could know what was going to happen in the world.
When you were there, what did you understand was going to happen?

NATAN:
I understood…according to what I understood there. I am certain that I know it.
When I was up there I understood what was going to happen in the world.
And according to what I understood, what I told you about The Messiah and everything.
I also understood that the Redemption and the revelation of The Messiah is going to happen very soon.
It’s like, it going to happen in the very near future. It’s imminent.
It’s like, imminent. The Redemption is really coming.

RABBI LEVY:
Now, tell me, when you were there, there was no concept of time.
How can you estimate there the concept time?
What is “imminent”? Is it twenty years? Two years? A month?

NATAN:
Imminent is right away. Like, in the coming months.

RABBI LEVY:
In the coming months. Okay.
Now do you also know what will happen?

NATAN:
Yes. I know what is going to happen. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And you know that from there?

NATAN:
Yes. Only from there. Everything I know is only from there.

RABBI LEVY:
And where are we holding right now?

NATAN:
Where are we holding now? In a period. Not a good one at all. At all.
Like, I can tell you that the Redemption is very close to here.

RABBI LEVY:
And what will happen during that Redemption?

NATAN:
Very bad things are going to happen. But it depends on who. As far as I understood.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is it certain that the Redemption will happen in the coming months?

NATAN:
It is certain it will occur in the coming months.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is there, perhaps, the possibility that it won’t happen?

NATAN:
There is that possibility, if we all repent, that it won’t happen.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
So it won’t happen?

RABBI LEVY:
The bad things in the Redemption won’t happen.

NATAN:
The bad things.

RABBI LEVY:
But the Redemption will arrive…

NATAN:
But the Redemption will arrive…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
In any case, whether they sin, and also if they fulfill the good deeds.

NATAN:
Yes. But if they sin, the Redemption will be less pleasant.

RABBI LEVY:
If they sin, it will come to pass in a much more difficult manner.

NATAN:
More difficult, and less pleasant.

RABBI LEVY:
And if everybody repents, it will come to pass in an easy way.

RABBI LEVY:
But it’s going to happen.

NATAN:
It’s going to happen, no matter what.

RABBI LEVY:
Now, according to what you know there, what you saw there – how is it going to happen?

NATAN:
It’s going to…according to what I understood, right now our situation is not good at all.
I mean, not good.

RABBI LEVY:
What’s going to happen?
It’s going to be something that is called a very big war.
And everybody – the whole world – will be involved in that war.
According to what I understood. The whole world will be involved in that war. Everybody!
All the Gentiles, all the Arabs, everybody will come against The Nation of Israel and will fight in that war.

RABBI LEVY:
And how will it begin?

NATAN:
It will begin – the person who will start the war will be somebody named Gog.
As far as I understood up there. Only up there, I understood.

RABBI LEVY:
He is called Gog?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And do you know who this Gog is? Who am I referring to?

NATAN:
I am certain of who it is.

RABBI LEVY:
Who is it?

NATAN:
Obama. President Obama.

RABBI LEVY:
He will start “Gog and Magog”?

NATAN:
He will be the one who starts that war. He will bring his whole army. He will start the war here.

RABBI LEVY:
And he’ll fight against us?

NATAN:
He’ll fight against us.
At first everyone will just want The Nation of Israel. Jerusalem, Israel. Everyone will want it.

RABBI LEVY:
Jerusalem?

NATAN:
Jerusalem. Yes. Everyone will want it – the whole world.
They won’t pay any attention to us. They will just want it.
Everyone will fight against each other because they want it.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How long will it take?

NATAN:
Not long at all.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How long will it take?

NATAN:
That, all of that, all of the bad things will take two weeks.

RABBI LEVY:
All the bad things will take two weeks.
What will happen during those two weeks? What are the bad things?

NATAN:
In those two weeks – what is the bad thing? More than a few million people will die.
They will die like… the only thing that saves them, what I understood – is only if they repent.
If a person learns The Torah and performs acts of kindness.
That’s what will save him from this thing.

RABBI LEVY:
It says in the Gemara, that when they asked Rabbi Eliezer Hagadol,
“What can a person do save himself from the birthpangs of Messiah?”
Rabbi Eliezer Hagadol answered,
“He should occupy himself with The Torah and acts of kindness. That’s what will save him.”
Now tell me, what is this? What kind of war is this? A spiritual war?

NATAN:
No, no.

RABBI LEVY:
A war of soldiers against soldiers? What is it?

NATAN:
Partially, partially. At first it will be a war between soldiers.
The whole world will just come…just at first,
All the Gentiles will battle each other, and will want Israel.
In the end, what will happen is this,
Everyone will unit and fight against us, fight against The Nation of Israel.
And many people from among The Nation of Israel will die, several million people will die.
A ton of people will die.

RABBI LEVY:
Those who didn’t keep The Torah and good deeds?

NATAN:
They will die.

RABBI LEVY:
And those who kept The Torah and good deeds?

NATAN:
Those who kept The Torah and good deeds – it depends.
It depends if they learned The Torah combined with acts of kindness.
There are those who are observant but they don’t really care about it, they are casual about it.
But if someone is really strict, and studies The Torah and does acts of kindness,
He will be saved.

RABBI LEVY:
How will he be saved?

NATAN:
He will be saved.

NATAN:
He will be saved. What will happen is like this, according to what I saw up there…

RABBI LEVY:
What do you mean you saw? Do you see it like a movie of the future?

NATAN:
Yes, I see it like a movie of the future. I see it in a movie of the future.
You see it in mere seconds. But it’s lots and lots of time.
Like the movie of my life that I saw at first.
They showed me my life in a thousandth of a second,
Like in a thousandth of a second they showed it to me.
And I saw every single second of my life, when I was a baby, when I was a little boy.
I saw it all. And…

RABBI LEVY:
Now, let’s move forward. You saw a movie…

NATAN:
I saw a movie.

RABBI LEVY:
Let’s call it a movie, of the future, of what is going to be.

NATAN:
Yes. I just saw that everyone was attacking The Nation of Israel,
And came against us and also fought against us.
We – the IDF (Israeli Defense Front) that is – will manage to keep them at bay for two days, According to what I saw.
And then everyone will just kill us and we won’t have anyone to rely on but God. And then what will happen is…suddenly…

RABBI LEVY:
Wait, wait. This war – the IDF (Israeli Defense Front) will only hold out for two days?

NATAN:
Two days.

RABBI LEVY:
And after two days?

NATAN:
We’ll be finished by then.

RABBI LEVY:
No IDF?

NATAN:
No IDF.

RABBI LEVY:
So everything is open?

NATAN:
Everything is open. [Exposed/unprotected]

RABBI LEVY:
So you say that Gog is Obama. Obama is the United States. You say that he will lead the…

NATAN:
He will lead the whole war.

RABBI LEVY:
And who will join him?

NATAN:
Who will join him? Iran will join him. The UN. The whole UN.

RABBI LEVY:
Russia?

NATAN:
Yes. Russia, South Korea. The whole UN. Really everyone.
Everyone. All…seventy nations will rise against us. Seventy.

RABBI LEVY:
Where is ISIS in all this?

NATAN:
ISIS, what they will do is – this is what I saw – they will kidnap people.
They will just kidnap people.

RABBI LEVY:
They will kidnap our people?

NATAN:
Yes. Like they did to Gilad Shalit – they will also do that.
They will kidnap people, and they will torture them, and things like that…
Now, what I also saw – is that the Mount of Olives next to Jerusalem, it…well, those who have the merit to be saved…so that mountain will split in two.
And the moment that the mountain splits into tow, in that second –
The Messiah will be revealed to everyone. Meaning, before everyone, before everyone.
Everyone will just see that it’s The Messiah, will understand it’s The Messiah.
Here he is, revealed to everyone.
And he will stand at the entrance there to The Mount of Olives.
And he will say who can enter and who cannot.
Anyone who doesn’t have the merit to enter – will stay outside and die.
And anyone who has the merit to enter – will be saved.
You have to understand what he will be saved from.
In a minute I’ll explain to you what he will be saved from…so it’s like, whoever…so the mountain just opens. And also…

RABBI LEVY:
Now it opens? It opens…

NATAN:
It splits in two.

RABBI LEVY:
Something like…

NATAN:
No, no.

RABBI LEVY:
An earthquake?

NATAN:
No. No.

RABBI LEVY:
A nuclear bomb?

RABBI LEVY:
What?

NATAN:
No, they will rise up…you know how on The Mount of Olives there are graves, right?
So two of the dead people will arise. Two dead people will come back to life.
One from here, and one from here, and it will split in two.
That’s how it will happen.
And what I saw was just that…The Messiah is first of all someone who can’t sin.
Someone who is without sin; who never sinned.

RABBI LEVY:
He is someone who repented?

NATAN:
Yes. He had never sinned. He had never committed any sins.
He is without sin, he didn’t commit even one sin.
It can’t be that The Messiah is someone who committed sins.
Now, it can be someone who we actually know very well, who we know very well.
Lots and lots of people know him, according to what I understood.
But, everyone will be very, very surprised, that he is of all people The Messiah.
Also, now, this Messiah, I mean The Messiah – he will fight against Obama.
And not only that – he will kill him and bury him in the Land of Israel. And I saw that…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
He will be buried in the Land of Israel?

NATAN:
Yes, he will be buried in the Land of Israel.
I also saw that the moment that The Mount of Olives splits into two, then The Messiah will stand at the entrance, but he won’t…he won’t see who is religious, who has a beard, and who a person is.
What he will see is – he sees according to a person’s holiness, he will smell each person,
He will smell if someone has holiness, if he is pure, if he did good deeds, if he performed acts of kindness.
To see if he really has true fear of Heaven, and not just fear of punishment, and things like that. He won’t say: “Here you are, you have a hat and you have a kipa (dome cap) – so like that, you, you can go in.”
It’s not like that. I mean, really, he will have a certain power that he will be able to feel what is truly inside every person.

RABBI LEVY:
Natan, I ask you once again. You know all of this from there?

NATAN:
I know all of it from there.

RABBI LEVY:
That means that a week ago you didn’t know this.

NATAN:
I didn’t know these things. I didn’t know. I had no idea.
Nothing. Nothing.

RABBI LEVY:
No, he didn’t…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Where did he learn?

RABBI LEVY:
He is not a yeshiva (Jewish School) student.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
He never learned.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
(unclear)

RABBI LEVY:
Wait, one second. One second. I just want to say something here.
Look at what he is saying and look. He says that Gog…Gog is Obama.
And that Gog…ah…Obama will fall here in the Land of Israel.
And God will give Obama a grave here in the Land of Israel.

NATAN:
Here in the Land of Israel.

RABBI LEVY:
So Ezekiel the Prophet says, “On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel.”

NATAN:
That’s exactly what they said to me. Exactly!

RABBI LEVY:
Ezekiel!

NATAN:
Exactly the same thing.

RABBI LEVY:
And you say that The Mount of Olives will split?

NATAN:
The Mount of Olives will split in two.

RABBI LEVY:
So Zechariah the Prophet says that…yes, “And the Lord shall go forth and wage war with those nations…And on that day His feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem from the east. And the Mount of Olives shall split in the midst thereof-toward the east and toward the west-a very great valley. And half the mountain shall move to the north, and half of it to the south.”

NATAN:
Is that really what is written?

RABBI LEVY:
Yes. Zechariah the Prophet. (Zechariah 14:4)

NATAN:
That’s exactly what I saw.

RABBI LEVY:
Zechariah the Prophet. He was a long time ago.

NATAN:
That is exactly what will happen if things continue as they are.
Like, if the world keeps on like this – that is exactly what will happen. For certain.

RABBI LEVY:
Now…now a woman asked a good question, and I want to also ask you it.
“How will I know when it begins?”

NATAN:
It will start with a boom. First of all, it has already started.

RABBI LEVY:
It has started?

NATAN:
As far as I could see, it has started.
It started on the 27th of Elul (September 11th 2015) it has started already.

RABBI LEVY:
On the 27th of Elul last year, in 5775?

NATAN:
This year. I mean, yes. Last year. [17 days prior was previous Hebrew year.]

RABBI LEVY:
We are in 5776. So it started last year.
Three days before Rosh Hashana – Gog and Magog started.

NATAN:
Yes. That war has already started.

RABBI LEVY:
So why don’t we sense anything?

NATAN:
Because God, won’t bring it in the beginning.
What will happen – it will be on a certain day that it will just erupt.
Just, what will happen – something will set it off, and it will just erupt.
All of the newscasters, everything – everyone will say, “World War Three has broken out. Everyone will just understand it.
That’s it, there’s no time.”
And then it will start, and everyone will understand that God has caused this event.

RABBI LEVY:
You mean that there will be some security incident?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And due to that, everything will go out of control?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Everyone will start battling against one another?

NATAN:
Yes. Exactly.

RABBI LEVY:
And in the beginning, they will fight against each other?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And us?

NATAN:
We will be outside of it. And afterwards everyone will unite and come against us.
They will unite and come against us.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Do you see the tensions between the United States, and Russia and China?

RABBI LEVY:
Okay. Fine, we’ll see. Okay.

PEOPLE IN AUDIENCE:
What is the role of The Messiah – can we know?
Is he someone who is brings Jews back to religious observance or something like that?
Does he have a job?
Do we all know him?

NATAN:
It’s like, he doesn’t know he is The Messiah.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What?

RABBI LEVY:
Speak into the microphone, speak into the microphone.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Does he bring redemption today?

NATAN:
Yes, he is an important person, a great person.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Does he suffer all sorts of humiliations in order to strengthen the Jewish people?

NATAN:
What’s that?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Does he suffer lots of humiliations in order to strengthen the Jewish people?

NATAN:
I have no idea. I don’t know. I only know that it’s a person who is sinless.
That he doesn’t commit any sins at all. He’s a great man.
And when he becomes The Messiah, everyone will be very, very surprised that it’s him.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
He doesn’t commit any sins at all?

NATAN:
He was secular. He was secular.

RABBI LEVY:
Messiah – he says it’s someone who must have repented.
He is a person who is sinless, and everyone knows him.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And it will be a surprise.

NATAN:
It will be a surprise that it’s him.

RABBI LEVY:
Wait, wait, slowly, slowly.
We want to continue a little more with what you are saying, what you saw in the future.
So gentlemen, we have started to understand here a few things;
First of all, it started on the 27th of Elul. [17 days ago]

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Gog and Magog.

RABBI LEVY:
The war of Gog and Magog started.

NATAN:
World War Three.

RABBI LEVY:
It seems to be small, until some event occurs that will cause an all-out world war to start.
That will be the final sign. At first we will not be involved in the war.

RABBI LEVY:
But after that everyone will unite against us?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And they will fight us, because they will want Jerusalem?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And now you say, you think, you just said that already, but not in chronological order.
I am trying to make some order here.
They’ll fight against us, and the army will hold out for two days?

NATAN:
It will hold out for two days. That’s all.

RABBI LEVY:
And after that – no army.

NATAN:
No army. Finished.

RABBI LEVY:
And then, they come in?

NATAN:
They come in.

RABBI LEVY:
They kidnap people?

NATAN:
They kidnap people, they kill them.

RABBI LEVY:
They kill people…

NATAN:
Rockets, missiles, you name it.

RABBI LEVY:
Wait, wait. Now, we’ll get to the part about the rockets and missiles.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
I heard about that from a lot of sources, and there is also a prophecy that talks about a nuclear bomb.

NATAN:
A nuclear bomb, there really will be a nuclear bomb. But the bomb will be small, not large.
And it – the Holy Blessed One will just stop it in the sky, and it won’t fall.

RABBI LEVY:
Do you mean to say they will shoot a nuclear bomb at us? And…God will freeze it in the sky?

NATAN:
He will freeze it in the sky. And then after some time, after a few weeks, it will fall.
But it will only fall on specific cities. Two specific cities – Tel Aviv and Haifa.

RABBI LEVY:
The nuclear bomb will only fall on those two cities?

NATAN:
Yes. Those two cities.

RABBI LEVY:
Okay. And now they come in and conquer?

NATAN:
What? They totally conquer. Really conquer everything.

RABBI LEVY:
And they get as far as…?

NATAN:
They actually get all the way into Jerusalem.

RABBI LEVY:
To Jerusalem!

NATAN:
But – Jerusalem will be a refuge. Like, whoever wants to be saved – only in Jerusalem.
On the other hand, the war will also be there. So whoever has merit will benefit.
And whoever doesn’t will not. Whoever observes The Torah and does good deeds and such.
He will be saved.

RABBI LEVY:
That means that – Righteous ones who are outside of Jerusalem will come here and be saved?

NATAN:
They will come here and be saved.

RABBI LEVY:
And the Wicked – evil people – in Jerusalem, will not be saved?

RABBI LEVY:
So that means, it isn’t the place, but the person?

NATAN:
It’s the person.

RABBI LEVY:
It’s his actions?

NATAN:
Yes. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And then Mount of Olives splits.

NATAN:
It splits in two.

RABBI LEVY:
And The Messiah stands there?

NATAN:
The Messiah stands at the entrance. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And he doesn’t judge people according to their clothing?

NATAN:
He doesn’t judge according to clothing. He judges according to the inside of a person.
He knows what is inside every single person, their inner selves, who their truly are.

RABBI LEVY:
There is a verse that says, “And he shall delight in [smell] the fear of the Lord.”
“And neither with the sight of his eyes shall he judge, nor with the hearing of his ears shall he chastise”, but he will judge with “smell”. He smells the fear of God and knows who you are.
So he comes in, and when anyone else comes in, what is there? A security gate?

NATAN:
Something like that, a security gate. Exactly.
After that what happens is – I didn’t tell you what I saw that will happen.
After The Mount of Olives splits in two, whoever has the merit to go in will go in.
But whoever does not…
The Holy Blessed One will come, He himself will come.
He will be with a robe…He will be in a robe.
Just a huge robe, and on the robe will be bloodstains. So, those blood stains – it’s from all the Jews who died in all the generations of The Nation of Israel. Who died, who the Gentiles killed.

RABBI LEVY:
Only because they were Jews…

NATAN:
Only because they were Jews. Yes.
God will come and take revenge on all the Gentiles.
I understand that there is also a verse about that.
He will read that verse too, which says, “O God of vengeance, O Lord; O God show vengeance. Exalt Yourself, O Judge of the earth, render to the haughty their recompense.”
So I understood that this verse – that’s about this.
And I understood it all up there – you should understand that I understood all this up there.

RABBI LEVY:
Good. Now, I’ll just ask one question about the Gentiles – but what interests us the most – God will exact vengeance on the Gentiles. Do you know how?

NATAN:
What will happen is, just, it will happen in the span of only a few minutes.
He will just destroy everything. I just saw it from above.
Just, all the buildings, everything will just fall.
Every step, every wall – everything will just fall, collapse, suddenly everything will just collapse.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
You didn’t see the wave of repentance? People repenting, so that all won’t happen?

NATAN:
Ah, it could be that….

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
There won’t be an awakening to repent?

NATAN:
It could be that if people wake up they will repent. There is a choice.
But right now, what I saw happen is what is.
Right now what we have is the worst case.

RABBI LEVY:
Natan, I want to read to you and to the congregation a prophecy from Ezekiel 38.
You say that mountains fall, and you also mentioned the word “step”?

NATAN:
Yes. Steps.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What is that – steps?

NATAN:
All the steps, building, everything. But only in certain places.
But if there are places, let’s say, where there are Righteous ones – that thing won’t happen.
The steps and walls won’t fall.

RABBI LEVY:
Will it only be in Israel, or everywhere in the world?

NATAN:
Ah, it will be everywhere in the world.

RABBI LEVY:
Everywhere in the world. So the prophet says, “And at My presence, the fishes of the sea and the birds of the heaven and the beasts of the field and all the creeping things that creep upon the earth and all the men who are upon the surface of the earth shall quake, and all the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs [the word is also read as “steps”] shall fall to the ground.” (Ezekiel 38:20)

NATAN:
Really? It that what is written?

RABBI LEVY:
Yes. Does it fit? Does it fit?

NATAN:
Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Can I ask a question?

NATAN:
Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
For example, on Rosh Hashanah for instance, people go to Uman, I don’t know, to Rebbi Nachman. It’s like, they say that he saves souls, and all that. Like, is there such a thing? Like, when you say that The Messiah will filter out people. Like, does the Righteous one save the…how does it work?

NATAN:
He saves people. Like, if he’s The Messiah, he isn’t The Messiah for nothing.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No, no. I’m saying, like, they say that people who go to…the Righteous one saves them. Rabbi Nachman, for example, in Uman.

NATAN:
I don’t understand what you….

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No. I’m asking, just – somebody wanted me to ask.
But I’m saying, uh, if someone goes to Uman, like, he’ll be saved from sinning, and all…

NATAN:
What? Whoever goes to Uman is saved?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Like, will the Righteous ones protect people, when The Messiah comes?

NATAN:
It depends which people.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
You say, people who take the matter seriously.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
That is to say, the general rule is like this. It doesn’t matter where you live, or where you go.
The only thing it depends upon is what you do.

NATAN:
Yes.
And after that war – a great number of people will die.
I don’t know exactly, to tell you the exact number. Ah…do you know?

RABBI LEVY:
Nobody knows.

NATAN:
A lot will die. A lot. Millions of Jews.
And the same amount, exactly the same number of Gentiles will die.
The same number of Gentiles will die as the number of Jews who die.
The exact same number.
And who won’t die from among the Gentiles? Who will have the merit to remain?
Those who kept the Seven Laws of Noah.
And the Jews – what I told you – who observed The Torah and Good deeds and all.
And after that the Redemption will be the beginning. And that will only be the beginning.
What will happen is just, like, the….

RABBI LEVY:
So wait, wait Natan. Slowly, slowly. We have Gog and Magog, which has already begun.

NATAN:
Yes, it’s already begun.

RABBI LEVY:
We have the downfall, they conquer us and get to Jerusalem. And Mount of Olives splits.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Whoever enters the Mount of Olives- that essentially protects him?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
It protects him. And then God appears and He is the one who fights the Gentiles.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
You say that he comes wearing a white robe with bloodstains.
And those bloodstains are in fact the bloodstains of all the Jews who were killed only because they were Jews. Over all the generations.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
The destruction of the First Temple, the destruction of the Second Temple, the Inquisition, there is no lack…

NATAN:
No lack…

RABBI LEVY:
And now God avenges them, and just wipes them out.

NATAN:
He wipes them out.

RABBI LEVY:
And he makes a grave for Obama here.

NATAN:
In Israel.

RABBI LEVY:
In Israel.

NATAN:
Here in Israel. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Ok. Now, what’s the next phase?

NATAN:
The next phase – the Redemption will begin. But it will only be the beginning.
It will take time until everything begins. First of all there will lots and lots of bodies.
And it will take time, a long time until they remove all the bodies.
What will happen is just, The Holy Temple….that light that I told you was up there,
That I saw myself up there, will descend.
It will be brought down, and that will be our light, like we can see light now.
So that will be the light. Just like that.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
So most of the Jews will die, like how will it be?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Will most of the Jews die?

NATAN:
It depends whom. Yes. Most of the Jews will die.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about the Jews outside of Israel?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about the Jews outside of Israel?

RABBI LEVY:
Again, it doesn’t matter where you are. It matters what you do.

NATAN:
It doesn’t matter where you are. It matters what you do.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No, you said they would come here.

NATAN:
What? The Gentiles will come here.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No, what about the Jews outside of Israel?

NATAN:
Whoever is here is here, whoever isn’t, isn’t.
Every man is for himself…if they stay outside of Israel…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Will they remain alive?

NATAN:
What? It depends on whether or not they kept the good deeds.
If they engaged themselves in The Torah and good deeds – then yes, and if not – then no.
If they are Wicked [evil doers] – then no.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Now, what will happen with all the graves on The Mount of Olives?

RABBI LEVY:
Gentlemen, this is a mistake. It’s not where a person lives. It’s like somebody came here to Jerusalem from abroad, and comes in here to a steakhouse and eats, and I tell him, “Listen, that streak isn’t kosher.” He tells me: “Then how come it is served here in Jerusalem?”
It’s not where you…it’s not that if you live in Jerusalem it’s kosher, and if you live in Jerusalem you are Righteous. You can also be righteous in other countries.
The Holy Blessed One doesn’t check here…he doesn’t do geography tests, but the Holy Blessed One checks what you do here – he takes the personal file of each and every person, and checks it. Whoever has earned merit will be saved, and whoever is guilty will not.
So, that means – nothing here will help. They take an X-ray image of you and they look at you – who are you? If you are okay with The Torah and good deeds – you remain, and it doesn’t matter where you are. If you aren’t okay, a wicked person can be condemned from Kotel, and a righteous person can be saved in New York. The Holy Blessed One – maybe he [Natan] doesn’t remember this, but we know it; that the Holy Blessed One will gather everyone and bring them here, and whoever is deserving – he will remain alive, and will eventually come here. And whoever is not – will be lost. The Ramak also wrote about this – that whoever is stiff-necked – he will be lost.
So that means – don’t rely on a place, and not on charms, and not on anything.
You just need to make one simple deduction: Do you study The Torah, observe the commandments, and engage in deeds of kindness? Or not? That’s it.
That’s the criteria. Do you understand?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What will happen with all the graves on The Mount of Olives?

RABBI LEVY:
Wait, wait, move on, slowly, slowly.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
And what about the Resurrection of the Dead?

RABBI LEVY:
One second.

NATAN:
One second. One second.

RABBI LEVY:
Slow down, slow down.

RABBI LEVY:
We want to make order here, we want to make order here.
Because otherwise everything will get out of control.
So the Holy Blessed One comes here and fights, and eliminates all the Gentiles.
And afterwards He says – it will take time, it will take time. Why?
In order to clean everything up.
So I want to show you another verse, about after the Holy Blessed One fights the battle of Gog and Magog, so we said: “And it shall come to pass on that day that I will give Gog a place there as a grave in Israel, the valley of them who pass along the east side of the sea, and it will then stop those who pass along. And there shall they bury Gog and all his hordes, and they shall call it the Valley of Hamon Gog [the masses of Gog]. And seven months shall the House of Israel be burying them in order to purify the land.” [Ezekiel 39:11-12]
It will take time to purify the Land, because afterwards we will be getting into the laws of impurity and purity, the impurity of the dead – something we are not accustomed to dealing with today.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
That is The Torah Reading of the Sabbath. That is The Torah Reading of the Sabbath.

RABBI LEVY:
With God’s help it will be. And then we will need to purify the entire country, yes, to purify the whole country of the bodies.
Because also according to the sages, the body of a non-Jew is also impure, according The Sages.
Here we will, with God’s help, be receiving The Holy Temple, and The Messiah, and the complete Redemption, and therefore it will take time to purify it.
Because the numbers of soldiers who will come here – this isn’t a terror cell, it’s not clashes with terrorists. According to what I understand and according to what you are telling us – this is something very huge.
You need to understand – just to gather up all of North Korea and the United States, and Russia, that’s enough.
And of course I am not even mentioning Iran and all the Arab countries that will get involved.
Do you understand what numbers are going to be here? It’s an amount that the great and undefeatable IDF (Israeli Defense Front) – within two days will be defeated. That’s it – no more army. Two days, two days, two days and that’s it. There will be no army, no IDF, no nothing, there won’t be anything. And they will just take a morning run – and it will be over. For what are we – just a tiny speck on the map. They are all already surrounding us. God has already brought them here, they are already in Syria. The Americans are in Syria, the Russians are in Syria, everybody is there. And when it turns against us, Heaven forbid, they will have no problem forming a coalition against us; and that’s it. What can we do?
Do you remember when 150 Syrians citizens just crossed the border; from the Syrian border, and entered the country, and nobody noticed them. And before they noticed and chased them and deported them, one of them had already reached Tel-Aviv. Without a weapon! One hundred and fifty civilians crossed the border and nobody noticed!
Imagine if it was a million, two million soldiers!

NATAN:
More.

RABBI LEVY:
More. More than that. They will cover the entire country.
They’ll come down here around-around Jerusalem.
Just the soldiers alone with their personal weapons, their personal equipment – all around will be a forest of soldiers, all around here.
Only one thing will save us: The Torah and deeds of kindness.
What will save us – the prophet says here that the Mount of Olives will split and we will run to it.
We will run, we will suddenly know how to run very well.
Even those who have trouble running, and they have no strength, and they are tired – suddenly they will run very well to the Mount of Olives.
And then the Mount of Olives will split, and The Messiah will usher into it whoever is worthy.
But who is worthy of protection, who will receive that protection?
Only someone who observed The Torah and good deeds and engaged in acts of kindness.
Did you study The Torah?
The Torah in order to observe, learn, and fulfill all of the commandments themselves?
If you don’t study, how will you know how to observe the commandments if you don’t study?
You want to fulfill a commandment, you need to first learn how it’s done.
And I have been saying this for years, and it pains my heart that during The Feast of Tabernacles– I go to a lot of places – I see people coming home from work tired.
And they want to build a Tabernacle.
They build a Tabernacle, because they want a Tabernacle, but unfortunately the Tabernacle is invalid. Why is it invalid? Because they never learned the basic laws for building a Tabernacle.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
But when is the time now to repent?

RABBI LEVY:
That all, that’s all. So you learn- you learn in order to repent. It happens in a second.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Yes, but now how will that help you in such a short amount of time. Nobody can…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
You try. Make an effort, make an effort.

RABBI LEVY:
I am explaining something else. A person learns in order to observe.
Your learning is learning in order to observe what you learn. So what we can do now –
That is, if we haven’t managed to do so until now – is to occupy ourselves with The Torah.
To learn. And while we’re learning – we learn more, we learn, and it expands. To learn, to uphold, and to practice. To fulfill everything we learn. And also to put all of it into practice
To learn. It’s not like I’m telling you now, “Listen – regarding reading the Shema before bedtime, okay, start opening up a Gemara and going over all of the first commentators, all in order to fulfill reading the Shema prayer before sleeping.”
You can also approach a rabbi authorized to make religious rulings, or, if you have some problem, to ask him what the ruling is here, what the ruling is there.
That is also considered learning. That also we show God.
We want to learn, to uphold, to apply, and to put in to practice all the words of your The Torah.
These types of people are the survivors.
Now deeds of kindness.
You think deeds of kindness is only if you construct buildings and feed hundreds of thousands of people?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
It’s also relative, relative.

RABBI LEVY:
No, no, no.
You are mistaken. The Pele Yoetz says that also when a person asks you what time it is, and you answer him, you have committed an act of kindness.
When you see a man with two bags in his hands, and he comes to open a door, and it’s hard for him because of the bags in his hands – open the door for him. That is also an act of kindness.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
The rabbi, Rabbi Rata writes in his introduction, that no man has knowledge about The Messiah and all that. But to assert things – Rabbi Rata, that is, the author of Taharat Hakodseh, he was a very holy man, and we can be sensitive to his, but to assert things…

RABBI LEVY:
He also said he doesn’t know who The Messiah is.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Yes, but it’s possible to discuss it.

RABBI LEVY:
What he is saying here, these are things that even without his – I am saying them after learning. Even if he didn’t say a thing.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No, and the timing and all…

RABBI LEVY:
By the way, for me – for me Natan has not said anything new. I am on record for years saying this all, I have known it for a long time. It’s written in the prophets. It’s written in all the commentaries. It’s written in the Gemaras. There is nothing new in what he is saying. What surprises me is that it’s going to happen right away. It’s going to be soon. And I also rely on Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky.
It’s not a lie. It’s no lie that he said to take cars with speakers, and go out into the streets and say – to say – to shout that The Messiah is coming!
Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, who we have all known for years, is not quick to get excited, or speak rashly. He – every word he says is weighed on many, many scales.
Whoever knows him – he doesn’t – he doesn’t speak a lot. He doesn’t speak a lot, and when he speaks, then he knows what he’s saying.
He doesn’t just blurt out anything. He knows that he is responsible for every word he utters.
There are people who testify that he said to study the Seventh Tractate, that he said last year to study the Seventh Tractate because at the end of the Seventh year The Messiah would come.
And to take cars with speakers and proclaim this – in his name. They should specifically say that it’s in his name – to say that the Redemption has arrived.
So what is left? What is left is to repent. But true repentance with all one’s heart. If a man repents with all his heart, then he will merit to be spared.
Otherwise, he will be susceptible to nuclear bombs, he is exposed to – aside from the radiation, what will be?
What more did you see in this “movie”? Missiles, ah…rockets. What else?

NATAN:
Rockets. I saw – I saw fighter planes…first of all, everyone who enters Israeli territory, all the Gentiles – they won’t come like you said earlier…that they’ll bomb heavily, they won’t come like that. They will come in planes…in lots of things. It will take us by surprise.
Now, also that day that I told you about when God will fight against them all
That will be a day that doesn’t end.
Because…it will be a day without night. Only day. Day, day, twenty-four hours of daylight.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about the souls in Purgatory?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about the time you mentioned – two weeks?

RABBI LEVY:
That’s what I asked. How can you estimate the time period? I could be in two weeks. It could be in twenty years. I – I don’t know. Then years pass quickly for me – like that.
That’s also fast. How can you, when you were up there above, how can you estimate an amount of time? Did you hear a voice telling you?
Do you know…? We said that you know – that every soul up there above knows things.
But how do you know that it’s imminent?

NATAN:
I understood that the more they talked about something, then it would come more and more soon…
They spoke about this there, very much.
They talked about it a lot, and they said many, many things about it.
They also said it would happen…I also saw people and souls crying about it and everything.
I understood that it’s really imminent.
You also know. You also know. The moment you are a soul you can know.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
In how long?

NATAN:
A few weeks!

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
If within a year this doesn’t happen then will I know it’s all a lie?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
About what you said?

NATAN:
It’s not a lie.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is it 100% certain?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Can it take several years?

NATAN:
No.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Can it be delayed by repenting?

NATAN:
No, no, no – the Redemption will happen now. No matter what.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Are you sure it won’t [be delayed]?

NATAN:
But…yes. But…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
If it doesn’t happen in a year, then is everything you are saying a lie?

NATAN:
What’s this about a lie? This is what I saw. What can I tell you?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No – I’m asking if it’s 100% for certain. Does nobody disagree with this?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Yes, yes.

RABBI LEVY:
I just want to read here – I want to read a verse. Here – let’s look at the verse:
And it shall come to pass in that day, that there shall not be light, but heavy clouds and thick; And there shall be one day which shall be known as the LORD’S, not day, and not night; but it shall come to pass, that at evening time there shall be light.
What you are saying – there will be 24 hours of light. And then The Holy Temple…

NATAN:
The Holy Temple will fall from the sky, just descend with that light that I told you about.

RABBI LEVY:
It will descend from the sky.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about the souls in Purgatory?

RABBI LEVY:
It will descend from the sky. And after that? Resurrection of the Dead?

NATAN:
Ah, that will be several weeks later – two weeks. Those who will merit being in the Resurrection of the Dead will be only the righteous who were in The Garden of Eden.
The evil ones who were in Hell, will not, not, not merit getting out of there.

RABBI LEVY:
They will continue-continue-continue to be tortured and so suffer?

NATAN:
Yes. They will continue.

RABBI LEVY:
And only the righteous ones to learn The Torah…how will the Resurrection take place?
It’s, can you…did you also see that?

NATAN:
Yes. I saw. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
What did you see?

NATAN:
You just see someone with a body, a person who is not happy, not angry, not anything.
Just normal. Just…
You see a person, his grave just opens, he comes out of the grave.
He comes out like that, starts walking. Just, that’s it.

RABBI LEVY:
And he is wearing what?

NATAN:
He is wearing beautiful clothing! Beautiful.

RABBI LEVY:
Burial shrouds.

NATAN:
No. These are beautiful clothes.

RABBI LEVY:
And he was whole? And wearing beautiful clothing?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And everything looks natural?

NATAN:
Natural. And he knows what was going on in the world above.

RABBI LEVY:
He knows he was dead and is now in the Resurrection of the Dead?

NATAN:
Yes. And he knows – he remembers what was going on up there. He remembers everything.

RABBI LEVY:
He remembers that he was up there, and then he goes home?

NATAN:
Yes. But there is – for example, there are some in Hell, but not for a long time.
Like, for example, you have – they tell you – someone, you – two days in Hell. Two days in Hell, according to what I understood above, is a long, long, long time.
There are even some who are a year in Hell. But whoever was already in Hell, and then in The Garden of Eden, he will be in the Resurrection of the Dead. Everyone who is in The Garden of Eden.

RABBI LEVY:
That is to say, he will first pay off all his sins in Hell.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
He went to get – he went to The Garden of Eden, at a level according to his good deeds, and he has the merit to come back in the Resurrection of the Dead.

NATAN:
Yes. But don’t think that this is something petty. Ok – one or two days. That’s not it.
Torture, torture, that you can’t imagine what I saw there. This is nothing.
I didn’t even go in there, and only heard it, and I felt what they felt, and…
And really – I don’t know how to explain this thing.

RABBI LEVY:
It’s difficult.

NATAN:
Very, very difficult.

RABBI LEVY:
And then the Final Redemption will occur.

NATAN:
The Final Redemption.

RABBI LEVY:
Is there a The Holy Temple?

NATAN:
There is The Holy Temple?

RABBI LEVY:
Is there The Messiah?

NATAN:
There is The Messiah.

RABBI LEVY:
Is there the Resurrection of the Dead?

NATAN:
There is the Resurrection of the Dead, but-but there are people who will be resurrected – like, very righteous ones – like, Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

RABBI LEVY:
Will we be able to see them?

NATAN:
We will be able to see them from a distance, but we won’t be able to move close to them.
It will be prohibited.

RABBI LEVY:
Why?

NATAN:
Because they will be holy. You can’t get burnt by them. Because they are so holy.
Like, if you get close.

RABBI LEVY:
When Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai is resurrected, not everyone will be able to get close to him?

NATAN:
No. We won’t be able to be close. You can – can see him from a distance.
From several yards away. But not – not to get close.
If you get close, you burn. You even burn on the spot.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is there a specific sin we commit that pains The Messiah?
Or some sort of sin that makes an impression in Heaven?

NATAN:
There are a few sins that…

RABBI LEVY:
Speak into the microphone, speak into the microphone.

NATAN:
There are a number of sins that cause anguish in Heaven. Yes. Quite a lot.
Really every sin you commit causes anguish in Heaven.
Every sin is different. Every sin has its own punishment.
Every – ah – everyone – you do such and such a sin, such details. But it’s very bad.
But there are sins that are worse than that, that have a much bigger punishment.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Specifically, specifically. No…

NATAN:
For instance, ah, for instance, pride. Pride is, is a very very very big sin.
Pride, and if a person speaks in the synagogue during prayers. That is also what I saw.
And I saw in the movie many times that I was in a synagogue in my life, and I saw many times that I talked.
And I saw the punishment that I receive there, and you don’t want to receive it. Believe me.

RABBI LEVY:
For talking in the synagogue.

NATAN:
For talking in the synagogue. If you even stop your praying for one second, and you speak with someone, it isn’t good. At all.
Even if the Shemona Esre prayer is finished and you are waiting – you may not talk.
Not with anybody.

RABBI LEVY:
So that means that you have summarized two things. Every sin, even the smallest of all – that appears to us to be the smallest of all – is very serious Above.
And the punishment is severe, and the anguish is terrible.
And all the more so, and all the more so regarding sin that are very very serious, and what – what is considered to be very serious in Heaven, is pride…

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Talking in synagogue…

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Anything else?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
During prayers, or not during prayers?

NATAN:
Ah, there is….

RABBI LEVY:
He said not during prayers, so all the more so during prayers.

NATAN:
Correct.

NATAN:
Also forbidden sexual relations, according to what I saw that is something very big, and also, ah, spilling blood.
That’s really big. Those are, like, the biggest things.

RABBI LEVY:
What is meant by spilling blood?

NATAN:
Ah, murdering, stabbing, things like that.

RABBI LEVY:
And is humiliating someone, is that also included?

NATAN:
Humiliating someone is – is exactly like those things.
Exactly the same. Someone who humiliates someone else, someone who shames his friend – he has no place in The Garden of Eden.
Forever and ever he will be in the seventh section of Hell. According to what I saw there.

RABBI LEVY:
That’s what are holy sages said, Whoever humiliates another person publically…

NATAN:
…has no portion in the World to Come….

RABBI LEVY:
He has no portion in the World to Come. Confirmation from there.

NATAN:
He has none. He has none.

RABBI LEVY:
We have confirmation from there – what they do with them there.
Can you – so we said – we said pride, speaking in the synagogue, forbidden sexual relations…we said publically humiliating another person, murder…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is there – did you see anything about the non-kosher internet?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Non-kosher internet.

NATAN:
Yes. There is also someone who doesn’t guard his eyes, and gazes upon immodest women, so also that. And also, someone who wastes his seed, also. And that’s all, that’s like..

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
I-phones, like, was that also?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Now tell me – did they speak there about cell phones, phone companies…or something? No.

NATAN:
No.

RABBI LEVY:
That didn’t interest them?

NATAN:
It doesn’t interest them.

RABBI LEVY:
Tassel, yes?

NATAN:
Tassel – yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Phylacteries, yes?

NATAN:
Phylacteries – yes.

RABBI LEVY:
The army doesn’t interest them?

NATAN:
They don’t care.

RABBI LEVY:
The flag? Independence Day?

NATAN:
No.

RABBI LEVY:
No. Very good.

NATAN:
And I also saw lots of people who were very great in this world.
Presidents, heads of armies, and all those kinds of things, up there.
You don’t know – you don’t know what they are receiving up there. You don’t know.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about the Nazis? What’s happening with them?

RABBI LEVY:
That means that small and big, are there – the One who determines who is small and who is big, it’s only there. Here someone can be a huge big shot, and there he can be an average Joe.

NATAN:
Yes.
Also, actually all the….like also, your status in this world is not important.
But only in the World to Come.
Your status in this world is not important.
It doesn’t matter what’s going on with you.
Even if you have money, you won’t be able to use it because anyway you won’t have money. Because you will go up there.
The whole life – what I understood is that this whole life, everything you do here is one big test. You whole life – every single second in your life that passes is a test.
Everything. A test. God – everyone, even…
Like people ask why God created the world.
Why did the Holy One create the world?
Because, according to what I understood, the characteristic of God is to do good.
Like, to do good for his creation.
So that is why He brought us down to this world.
In order to make things good for us.
So we can observe the commandments, so that in the end, we will get the – what is ours.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did they tell you that Above, or here? What you said just now.
Did you hear that up there, or here?

NATAN:
Above. Above.

RABBI LEVY:
Speak into the microphone.

NATAN:
Above – all of it up there.

RABBI LEVY:
Once again I – I want to ask you once again, and we will also understand.
A week ago you didn’t know all these things?

NATAN:
A tiny bit. Really just a little bit.

RABBI LEVY:
But since the holiday, on Monday, when this happened to you, within a period of fifteen minutes…

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
You managed to receive all this information, to know, to understand, to observe, all in fifteen minutes. And that’s a lot.

NATAN:
Yes.

NATAN:
Yes. And everything I have said to you is nothing compared to what I saw when I was up there. There are many more things that I can’t say about what I saw.
A lot. I don’t know how to explain it. I really don’t know.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
There are also things that you are forbidden from saying

NATAN:
There are a few things. I don’t want to say. It’s forbidden.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about unity?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Unity!

NATAN:
Ah – we need – like – ah, also according to what I understood, in order to get out of – what I told you – from that thing called Gog and Magog, from that war, so all of Israel must repent and unite.
What I also understood was that the reason God does this,
If you noticed, every time there was any sort of terror attack in Israel, for example that-that a lot of people died and all, so suddenly the whole nation unites.
Everyone is sad. Everyone.
You know that God does these bad things in order to wake us up.
Eventually He will bring this big thing upon us so that everyone will repent.
Like, everyone.
Because the moment something happens to a person, someone from The Nation of Israel, everyone unites.
He does things like this all the time, things like this.
But nobody understands that it’s a sign from Heaven.
So He’s bringing something huge, huge, gigantic, so that everyone will repent.
So that everyone will unite.
So yes. We need to unite. Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Until a week ago, you were not in yeshiva (Jewish School). Correct?

NATAN:
No.

RABBI LEVY:
He was never in a yeshiva.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Have you decided not to go to yeshiva?

NATAN:
Ah, I think so. Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What do you mean you “think so”? You saw all of that and…

NATAN:
I have to observe the commandments – what can I tell you?
I have to observe the commandments and…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Ok. If you saw all of that, why don’t you make the final decision – here we go –
“I am going to go study!”

NATAN:
“It takes time”

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
You saw all of that.

NATAN:
But it’s…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What do you mean “it takes time”?

NATAN:
It’s hard.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
There’s no “it takes time!” You saw for yourself!

NATAN:
Correct.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
And do you believe in what you say?

NATAN:
Of course I believe it.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Let me, please. Do you believe in what you say?

NATAN:
Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you see?

NATAN:
Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Do you believe it’s true?

NATAN:
Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
So if it’s true that why haven’t you decided to go to yeshiva?

NATAN:
I’m going to do it. You see that now I am wearing a tassel and all.

RABBI LEVY:
Fine so I will explain to you all. I will explain for you. He came – he came to me yesterday.
He came to me yesterday like this. He arrived. I gave him a kipa (dome cap) and I gave him a tassel. That what I could do. He’s still in shock. He’s still excited.
He’s trying to do something with this trauma, to present it in a more positive light.
But really, really Natan – his insights today are completely different.
Today he understands that to study The Torah, to observe the commandments, that’s the main thing – and everything else – its insignificant.
And with God’s help he will be on his way – he is on the way to yeshiva.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
I want to ask you – someone who suffers here…

NATAN:
Ah, let me also tell you about that…

RABBI LEVY:
Someone who suffers here. A question…

NATAN:
Yes. Ah, I have an answer about this.
There are people, who repent – for example – who get the…
There are people who repent and then are plagued with suffering.
So the question is why – why if he repented, why does he suffer if he repented?
And it could be that there are people for example, even a person, a Jew – the most evil that can be in-in Judaism, like, he’s a Jew – for sure he did a good deed or two in his life.
For sure he stopped along the way when someone said to him, “Come help me with this, Come”. For sure he was in a synagogue once with his son for his good deed.
For sure every single person had performed some good deed.
Even one good deed is deserving of a reward.
But, God, for the evil ones – He says to them, “Ok. You deserve a reward for this,” and then He brings them their reward in this world.
He brings them houses, brings them cars, everything.
All the good things that you can imagine.
But in the World to Come they get the biggest slap in the face of their lives.
But people who repent, they are also deserving of suffering because they did in fact sin.
So what happens?
The suffering – they get their suffering here – here at the hospital, here, a little here, here, a little there.
But in the World to Come, they get all the goodness there is.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Can’t one repent without suffering?

NATAN:
Ah – I don’t think so. It could be, like, I don’t know.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
If someone repents at the last minute, will it be accepted in Heaven? There?

NATAN:
Yes. Even if you repent on the last day of your life, it counts.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Now, on the last day of the Redemption. On the last day of the Redemption.

NATAN:
I think so. Yes.
Yes. Yes. That could be. It can take one minute to repent.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
They said that in The Har Zion Temple will be the remaining survivors.

NATAN:
Yes, there on The Har Zion Temple, like, in that place will be what remains of the people.
Everyone will go there. That will be the place.
The Mount of Olives will split open, but the remaining survivors, they will be there.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Come on! Continue!

NATAN:
Ah?

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Modesty for women? Modesty for women?

RABBI LEVY:
Can you – tell me – did you also see there women?

NATAN:
I saw. I saw women.

RABBI LEVY:
That were being punished? What?

NATAN:
Yes, I saw…

RABBI LEVY:
For what?

NATAN:
Things that women are punished for, it’s like this. They –
There are things that men are punished for, but women are also punished for them, but much more severely.

RABBI LEVY:
So, explain this very slowly.

NATAN:
For example, the pride that I told you about, that we are punished for, but for women it’s much more severe. It’s like…it’s like…it’s like…

RABBI LEVY:
What’s more severe? When a women is prideful it’s worse than when a man is prideful?

NATAN:
Yes. Much more. A lot more serious. A lot more serious.
Incidentally, evil slander and gossip is also a very, very serious commandment.
Like, it’s also. “Evil Tongue” – evil slander and gossip.
Also for women, modesty, also that.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Now please tell me. All these things that you are telling us now, you didn’t know?

NATAN:
I didn’t know.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Before…

RABBI LEVY:
He has repeatedly said – everything he is discussing here today, he didn’t know a week ago.
All of these things, he has only known for 72 hours. This happened to him 72 hours ago.
Three days ago. On Monday. On the holiday. So all – that’s what he knows.
And in that quarter of an hour, as we said at the outset, and I repeat and say this again and again – in the quarter of an hour that he was there – a quarter of an hour, correct?
Something like that, all this huge amount of knowledge can…
He knows more. He – he doesn’t have the words to explain it.
He can’t find the words to explain it correctly. Or more. But he knows more.
That is to say – it’s now, what you heard here, it’s now what he saw and that’s it.
He saw more, he knows more.
And this he only knows from that incident. Before that he didn’t know.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you know Rabbi Eliyashiv? Did you know Rabbi Eliyashiv?

NATAN:
What? Yes, I knew it was him. He said…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How did you know?

RABBI LEVY:
Before this incident did you know?

NATAN:
Before this incident no, no, no…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How did you know it was Rabbi Eliyashiv? Maybe it’s…

NATAN:
When you see a soul you know who it is

RABBI LEVY:
Again, once again. A soul arrives there, there is no need to explain to it anything. In the World of Truth, there are no questions there. The moment a soul arrives there – even if he was the worst wicked evil doer in this world, and the biggest apostate, and the biggest Tommy Lapid, the moment it arrives there he knows – God is truth, The Torah is truth. The Torah, good deeds, everything. It knows everything. There is no need to explain.
He know who this is and what this is. Even if a soul, for example – we will compare it to this world – meets there another soul, there is no verbal interaction between them. This one and that one know, which sins he committed, and which commandments he observed.
Who he is, and where he came from. What happened to him, and what he’s about – alone! Because it’s the World of Truth. A transparent world.
This world is the world of lies. This world is lies. Here I need to investigate and ask and clarify.
There, there is no such thing. It’s a transparent world. A world of truth. Everything is clear, everything is lucid, everything is ordered, and everything is fine.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
So why did he see the third rabbi? If he knew it was Rabbi Eliyashiv…

RABBI LEVY:
He doesn’t remember. He doesn’t remember.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Excuse me. Heaven forbid.
Because in any case, to be in the Heavenly Court is no field trip.
This isn’t just anything, some experience.
Ah, it’s an experience – our sages say that six things have disappeared from our line of vision. One of them is “The Depth of Sin” – “severity of judgement”.
This severity of judgement Above – ah, is there mercy there? In the Heavenly Court?

NATAN:
With me they were somewhat kind and merciful because I was under age twenty.
But ah – whoever is over age twenty will be shown no mercy.
But they were a little merciful with me. Nevertheless. They treated me with a measure of mercy.
Even though they were stringent about my sins and everything, but for people over the age of twenty it’s even more.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How is it possible to repent so quickly?

NATAN:
What’s the problem? It will take you just one minute to repent.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
But it’s impossible to…

NATAN:
Why not? If you truly believe that God is real, then you just repent.
Ask Him for forgiveness for your sins and don’t repeat – don’t repeat them.
That – that is what it means to repent.

RABBI LEVY:
And good intentions, God adds to the action. A person who repents, from the moment he truly decides that he wants to repent, fulfills what is written, As if he fulfilled the entire Torah.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What happened to your body during those minutes it was here in…?

NATAN:
What – what?

RABBI LEVY:
Good. Now when you were up there and the body was laying here on the bed, you say that you could know forward, above, to the sides, behind.
You could see in all directions. You also know what’s going on with your body.
Your body is down below, sprawled on the bed.

NATAN:
Alright…

RABBI LEVY:
And now you returned to it.

NATAN:
Yes.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you see The Holy Temple?

NATAN:
What?

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you see The Holy Temple?

NATAN:
No. I didn’t see it.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about observing the Sabbath?

NATAN:
Ah-keeping Sabbath – wow.
Someone who transgresses Sabbath in public also has a very severe punishment.
Like, it’s also a very big sin. Like, if you – only turn on your telephone and speak on the phone with someone on Sabbath, it’s also…the smallest thing.
Because you are violating the Sabbath, it doesn’t matter what you do. Sabbath – you violate it – then you will have a very big punishment for that.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you know about people living here?
Did you know about what their spiritual levels were? Like, when you were up there?

NATAN:
I knew somewhat, but it didn’t interest me – the things going on here.
I wasn’t interested in this world. I didn’t care about people.
I didn’t care about what was happening. I didn’t care about anything.
I was interested in what would happen to me there. What would be done with me.
What they would do to me. That’s what interested me.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
If it was accidental, then are you punished?

NATAN:
If you sin accidentally, I think it’s okay. If you did it accidentally.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
What other serious sins are there?

NATAN:
Serious sins?
It’s – I told you. Like, I told you before.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Tell me – a person who repents – are his sins mentioned? A person who has repented.

NATAN:
A person who repents, his sins are not mentioned. There are sins that I asked forgiveness for already before, and-and they just were not mentioned to me.
They didn’t – didn’t show them to me.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
That is why we engage in self-examination every day.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Honorable Rabbi, how can we publicize his message to the Jewish nation?

RABBI LEVY:
Well we brought a videographer here, with a very high professional level.
We will with God’s help make a disk. And it will go up – it will be distributed.
And we will publicize it in every manner that is possible, God willing.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you have cases of…

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did he see The Messiah?

RABBI LEVY:
Once again – you are repeating the same questions. He saw – knows there is The Messiah.
He doesn’t know who it is. He knows that he is here in this world.
What he was able to understand I am explaining in his place.
What he was able – what he was able to understand is that The Messiah is someone who repented, and since he repented he has not committed any sins.
The Messiah is someone who repented, and he also brings others back to the fold, and everyone knows him, and everyone – he is a very, very famous figure.
And with God’s help, if God desires, he will reveal himself and redeem The Nation of Israel.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
And is Obama called Gog?

RABBI LEVY:
We explained – we explained this at the beginning. He left his body, he is confused.
He doesn’t know who – who that is. The one lying on the bed or the one floating above.
He rose higher and higher until he reached the tunnel, and then he disconnected from this world, and entered a large hall, and there – he has already told you about that.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
And with regard to people who repent?

RABBI LEVY:
What is with regard to us? We first of all speak a lot of nonsense.
The one who – the one who decides and determines this is God.
The Rambam and the sages already said that in a place where people who repent stand, completely righteous people cannot stand…

NATAN:
Yes. I also saw that.

RABBI LEVY:
That is first of all. That is first of all. Did you also see that?

NATAN:
Yes.
And you also told us that above The Garden of Eden there is a level of people who have truly repented. Those who have sincerely repented receive a very high status, and it isn’t according to how we judge them. But it’s according to what God – He himself determines.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Regarding modesty for women. Modesty.

RABBI LEVY:
He spoke – he spoke about modesty for women, and explained that regarding women, they are commanded to observe the laws of Evil Gossip [evil gossip and slander], and they have good deeds regarding pride, and for – ah – for – ah

NATAN:
Dressing modestly.

RABBI LEVY:
Dressing modestly.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
A wig? A wig?

RABBI LEVY:
I want to tell you one thing. Ah – someone who was there for fifteen minutes is not the generation’s scholar that makes religious rulings.
We need – yes – we need to be careful about such things.
Yes. And how he – he is not a Judge in the Heavenly Court.
He is giving us here an eye-witness account.
And what he has come to tell us, gentlemen – we are going to be redeemed.
There is The Garden of Eden. There is Hell.
We – thank you – are going to be redeemed. The reward – what we think is, heaven forbid, nothing much, “It nothing! It’s a small commandment. It’s nothing.”
What is Ritual Hand Washing? Really. Come on.
You came out of the bathroom. Aside from showing respect – Ritual Hand Washing.
So, what is it? In Heaven, it’s something.
And if that is very serious, imagine how big phylacteries are.
Imagine how big observing the Sabbath is.
And imagine what learning The Torah is. That’s what he is telling us.
And people think it’s – yes – nothing. “What? What did I do? Nothing, that. Ok. You know what? Let’s say it’s a sin. Alright? But it’s a little sin!” To you it seems small, but there it’s very heavy.
And he says here that two days in Hell – just two days in Hell…

NATAN:
One day.

RABBI LEVY:
One day.

NATAN:
One hour.

RABBI LEVY:
There is – there is this ancient commentary about one righteous man who dies,
And it was decreed that he would spend an hour and a half in Hell.
And it became very, very difficult in the hour and a half, to be there.
It was hard for him, and he preferred to come back in a reincarnation.
And he was given an hour and a half. What is a year? What are two days? It’s a lot. For what? What? For nothing. There is no “nothing”.
There is no such thing as “it’s nothing”.
Because what I understand from him, I understand – he is not the first I have met.
I know may more like. They all say the same thing.
What is common to them all – don’t judge what is small and what is big.
That is not the right direction to go in at all. The direction is – listen. Who commanded you?
The King of Kings, the Holy One. So why don’t you listen to him?
If he commanded you to do something, is it small? Who- who commanded you?
The King of Kings commanded you to do this. So why don’t you heed His voice?
Why do you disobey Him? Who are you to disobey the King of Kings, the Holy One?
Gentlemen, just try to understand how many worlds there are. How many things there are. Praise be His name! What a Creation!
And here I really want to summarize something, because our time was up a while ago.
But nevertheless, really – “A time to do for the Lord; they have made void Your Torah.” Gentlemen – in – in a nutshell – what is this?
We – there are distances that we know from the distance. I understand what a meter is.
I understand what a kilometer is. I also understand what one hundred kilometers is.
But there are huge distances that we cannot measure in kilometers..
But you measure them in a different time.
That is to say, like this – everything around us, the stars, outer space, it’s just God’s industrial zone.
It’s the world of action. Just so you will understand – the celestial body closest to us is the moon. And it is estimated to be 239 thousand miles from here.
The sun, is 93 million miles from here.
Venus is 168 million miles from here. Those are our neighbors.
It’s like living in the same building. This is the neighbor above you.
You’re on the second floor, and he’s on the sixth.
That’s it. Those are the distances. But there are even greater distances than that in space.
God created even more than that.
How are such distances in space measured?
So for whoever doesn’t know, they are measured in light years. What is a light year?
If I fire a missile, and that missile – pay attention – flies at a speed of 300,000 kilometers per second,
Every second that missile goes 300,000 kilometers.
In two seconds it has already traveled 600,000 kilometers.
Three seconds – it has already traveled 900,000 kilometers.
How many kilometers does that missile travel in a day?
How many kilometers does that missile travel in a week? Without pause.
How many kilometers does that missile do in a month?
And how many kilometers does that missile do in a year?
That distance is called a “light year”.
That is to say, I say, “Listen, there is a planet in the sky. Do you see that planet in the sky?
Do you see that planet? If I shoot this missile, then in a year from now, at this speed, it will reach there.”
That is to say that in one second that missile reaches the moon.
It travels 300,000 kilometers per second. In one second it’s on the moon.
So a year from now he will reach that planet.
Now we know there are planets and stars that are one thousand light years from here.
Two thousand light years. Ten thousand light years.
That is to say that if Adam would have shot this missile in the direction of that planet at the same speed – it wouldn’t have even arrived yet.
Do you understand what distances we are talking about?
And God says “The heavens are My throne, and the earth is My footstool.”
The heavens are My throne – the Throne of Glory – and the earth is My footstool.
Like how on the lectern there is a rod at the bottom where you rest your feet – that is “My footstool”. That is the footstool of God.
All of this! There are stars and planets that are millions of times bigger than Earth.
Just for comparison, the sun is one thousand three hundred times bigger than Planet Earth.
One thousand three hundred Planet Earths equals one Sun.
And the sun is not even considered big. There are suns and planets a lot bigger than that.
And so what is Planet Earth in all of this?
A piece of dust? I’m exaggerating.
This is just to explain this in a simple way.
What is a drop in the ocean? What is one drop out of six thousand billion?
And this little tiny planet – which is all of the love of God.
And He created all of this so that you should learn The Torah.
There is a little country called Israel. Take an atlas – a map, look at what Israel is.
Saudi Arabia is eight hundred times bigger than we are. You know?
We are nothing! We are a neighborhood in New York.
Even when they write “Israel” on the map, there is no room.
You have to write part of it on the ocean. Look at the map, at the image of Israel – the sea is in the West – so the Aleph and the Lamed already slide into the sea. There is no room.
And in Israel – in this world there is Israel, which is a lot smaller – in Israel there is a city.
Let’s say, Jerusalem. It’s a lot smaller – no?
In Jerusalem, there is a neighborhood. Katamon. Smaller.
In Katamon there is a street. Smaller. On the street, there is a building. An apartment building.
Smaller. In the building, there is an apartment.
Even smaller. In the apartment, there is a room. Smaller. In the room, there is a closet. Smaller. Next to the closet, there is a creature.
Be careful about it. It’s called “a person”. About 5’7. And it talks so much. About who?
And the Blessed Lord says to him, “The heavens are My throne, and the earth is My footstool. Please observe my commandments.”
(and man replies)“Ah – forget about it.” For that he will be punished!
Do you understand now what the punishment, to who you are not listening to?
Don’t say to Him, “Washing my hands is nothing.” Look at who commanded you!
And he leaves all of that.
And Natan – and not always Natan – many more- can’t describe The Garden of Eden.
They can’t. It’s impossible. The Blessed one, may His name be elevated. That he is everything the Architect, the Engineer, the Holy One.
It’s impossible. There are things here in this world that you can’t understand.
You want to understand what’s there?
And He leaves it all.
And all this – and He has angels. And He has everything.
He has ministering angels. Also good angels. He has Seraphs, and Ophans, and heavenly Chayot – wow, wow – what is this – whoever reads about this thing.
One small good angle – the Sages say he is 20,000 miles tall.
Thirty-two thousand kilometers, that’s a tiny creature.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you see that?

NATAN:
I saw!

RABBI LEVY:
It’s a tiny creature.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Every angel is like that?

RABBI LEVY:
What his – don’t interrupt. What his size is.
And these “little creatures” only come up to the ankles of the Ophans.
And the Ophans to the ankles of the…heavenly creatures (described by Ezekiel).
And God leaves all of that – and he says to you, “Come to the synagogue.
Recite Kedusha. Pray.” And what do you do?
Blah blah blah blah. You talk. Tell me something – aren’t you ashamed?
God leave all of that, and he says, “You give me such pleasure when you come to synagogue, hear a lecture, pray, and you – instead of that you talk?”
“I leave everything, I come to hear you, and you talk nonsense?”
For that you will be punished.
For that. It seems like – “So I talked in the synagogue. What happened?”
In the middle of the opening prayer, I said to someone, “Are you- are you coming with me later?” What? What is that – gossip? What? Did I sin? I talked in synagogue.
And whoever reads the Code of Jewish Law knows that Maran Beit Yosef – he doesn’t speak about tradition, No no. He is literal, literal.
Maran Beit Yosef told a story about a certain man who met Elijah the Prophet.
Elijah the Prophet shows him that there are 4,000 camels loaded with wrath and anger.
And he asks Elijah the Prophet, “Who is this for? The enemies of Israel?”
And Elijah tells him, “Unfortunately, no. This is for those who talk in synagogue.”
Maran the Beit Yosef writes this.
“So what? I talked in synagogue. What’s happened?”
Yes. You spoke in the house of God. The One who says, “The heavens are My throne, and the earth is My footstool.” And you aren’t even as big as a closet.
So God loves us, pities us.
He doesn’t send them to us to amuse us.
He sends us – he sends them, these people here [who had out of body experiences] in order to say, “Hello! Open your eyes! I am going to redeem you. Do you want to die?”
Do you want to die an eternal death?
Do you want to be in Hell?
I don’t want you there.
I want to give you one minute. Repent with all your heart,
And I will erase everything. I will turn all your sins into merits. You don’t believe Me? Here. Look. It may be that The Messiah himself has repented.
What can we say? What can we speak about? What can we answer? What can we justify?
Another sign, another sign, another sign, and we try to wave it off rather than taking it to heart,
And making decision. Instead of saying, “Father, enough, we’re finished.
We will go with You all the way.
I’m going with you until the end. That’s it.”
Go with Him all the way and He will go with you all the way.
Who will save you? Benjamin Netanyahu?
Who will protect you?
The Angel of Death grabbed him like this and pinned him…what’s was it?
Something from one end of the world to the other! What will you do about him? Call the police?

NATAN:
He encircles the entire world.

RABBI LEVY:
He encircles the entire world. And you going to call the police on him, no?

NATAN:
The world is this small next to him. He’s like this, the world is like this.
You don’t see him. It’s impossible to see him.

RABBI LEVY:
So who will save us from this? The Holy One, he will save us. But the blessed Lord says, “I will save you, but I am a king who loves justice and righteousness.
Bring The Torah, bring serious observance of the commandments, and I will save you.
No? I’ll end it all.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Rabbi, may I ask something? Of the boy?

RABBI LEVY:
Yes. One last question.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Ah – regarding The Messiah you said that everyone would be surprised – what does that mean? That like, in this world they won’t believe that he…like, that he is alive, they won’t believe that it’s…

NATAN:
Yes, they won’t believe.
Like, people will be surprised, like, that there really is such a thing as The Messiah
That it’s all true, like, that God is real.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No. Only that he is The Messiah…

RABBI LEVY:
They will recognize him in the end…

NATAN:
Yes, yes. They will be surprised that he clearly is The Messiah.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What – he’s an important person?

NATAN:
It’s a regular person. Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
No, I asked if he is an important person.

NATAN:
A normal person and also an important person.
I think that what I saw is that he is an important person. A very important person.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
In his personality, perhaps.
But in the eyes of other people, like, it will probably be a regular person. Like…

NATAN:
Ah, yes. Yes.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Probably.

NATAN:
Yes, yes. But it could also be that he is a big rabbi.
But they will be surprised that he clearly is The Messiah.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is The Messiah in Jerusalem? Or in some city? Do you know?

NATAN:
Ah – it’s impossible to know. I don’t know. I have no idea.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What?

NATAN:
I have no idea.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Maybe it’s someone in this synagogue.

RABBI LEVY:
He lives here in Israel.

NATAN:
He lives here in Israel. I don’t know, like, where he is.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
On Ezra Hasofer street.

RABBI LEVY:
Ok gentleman, let’s not start inventing Messiahs – a Messiah for the Sephardic Jews, a Messiah for the Ashkenazi Jews…there will be one Messiah and that’s it, finished.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Does The Messiah know he’s Messiah?

NATAN:
The Messiah doesn’t know he is The Messiah.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
He doesn’t know?

NATAN:
His soul knows. He doesn’t.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How old does he look?

NATAN:
What?

RABBI LEVY:
What we said – instead of taking this seriously and taking it to heart, and repenting, you are making out of this….gentlemen.
I – I want – our sages said that anyone who jokes around about words of The Torah, Heaven forbid, about the words of the scholars, falls into boiling feces.

NATAN:
I saw that.

RABBI LEVY:
You saw that?

RABBI LEVY:
Tell us. What is boiling feces?

NATAN:
So, boiling feces is a certain section in Hell.
I told you that there are a number of sections there. And this is one of them.
I just saw those angels that I told you about in the beginning…

RABBI LEVY:
But tell me what it is, this. Is it a pool?

NATAN:
It’s a pool – it’s a sea. It’s just a sea. The size of the sea we have.
Huge, but, it’s a very scary place. Very scary.
Everything is dark. There is boiling feces and on the sides there is lots and lots of fire.
And the Destroying Angels I told you about, with the beards and everything, so they are there.
They hold someone inside the fire and throw them in there – people.
Just – and the – you know how you say in the Shemona Esreh prayer “He kills and revives”?
So that’s talking about this. God just revives the person and then kills him again.
He like, kills him, and he’s inside the boiling feces and he – and then he burns up. Again.
Like this, like this. Again and again and again. For eternity. It never ends.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What about Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Chassidic Jews – everything we have here. Like….

RABBI LEVY:
Gentlemen. There are no Sephardic Jews, no Ashkenazi Jews, no geography.
There isn’t anything. There is a soul. There is a personal file.
And he should decide whether all is lost for him or not.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
I am asking out of naivety, not out of….

RABBI LEVY:
Don’t make jokes with these questions…that’s all. Before they got there, also boiling feces. There is also something like that. Yes?
And everyone thinks that it won’t happen to me.
And we are world champions with “It won’t happen to me.”
But after that it happens he says, “Why did this happen to me?”
Tell them what else you saw.

NATAN:
In that place I also saw a lot of people.
There were people who were surprised they were there, and also religious people.
I saw religious people there.

RABBI LEVY:
Ah – there are religious people there?

NATAN:
There are religious people there. Yes.
But they were religious people who said, yeah, it’s ok to talk to girls, it’s ok to do this, to do this, to do that.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you see there orthodox people?

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
I bet there are a lot of orthodox people there.

NATAN:
There are. There also are orthodox people who put on an act of being orthodox – but they weren’t really orthodox.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Is there someone who was righteous, that people said he was righteous, and up there it was discovered….

NATAN:
Yes. There are people like that.
[Lots of noise and questions from the audience]

NATAN:
What? Yes.
There are people like that who acted here like they were righteous but up there they will fall in Hell. And…

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Our rabbi!

NATAN:
What?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
If someone is stringent about the [unclear] – what is his reward? What is the reward of…

NATAN:
What is the reward of what?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Of someone who overcomes his desire.

NATAN:
Someone who overcomes his desire, so he earns a huge reward.
Really, like – someone who overcomes his desire has like in The Garden of Eden – according to what I saw there – there are all sorts of halls. These rooms.
And someone who overcomes his desire regarding some sin, like, there is a specific hall also for the – those who overcome a sin – there is a specific hall for people like that.
Really just for them.
There is also this hall that is considered high up, this hall. Like, a big hall.
Like, a high level.

RABBI LEVY:
Someone who fulfills commandments with sorrow – someone who finds it difficult?

NATAN:
Someone who fulfills commandments –

RABBI LEVY:
For example…

NATAN:
And still he fulfills commandments – so that is also a very big reward.

RABBI LEVY:
How do you know the size of the reward?
How do you know – you get a big reward for something. How?
Like – did you see a scale?

NATAN:
You see a scale. You also see the powerful light. You see. You understand. You understand.

RABBI LEVY:
When they say – when they say the commandments, then what happens?

NATAN:
What?

RABBI LEVY:
When they say that this person, this soul did such and such commandment –
And then – or in your case. You did such and such.

NATAN:
So when I was up there in the court there was a light, and everybody shouted,
“Righteous one, Righteous one, Righteous one” – like that.
That was a really good feeling.

RABBI LEVY:
But from where did you know what the reward was?

NATAN:
What do you mean?

RABBI LEVY:
How do you know the size of the reward? How did you know that it was more or less?
I didn’t understand that.

NATAN:
You understand by the light that’s stronger, and by the people that tell you. Everything. According to the scale. That you see it’s bigger, higher.

RABBI LEVY:
So it weighs more?

NATAN:
It weighs more. And you also understand. I don’t know how to explain it.

RABBI LEVY:
So it weighs more and you see a light that shines more powerfully?

NATAN:
Yes. More powerfully. And that is also the light that I saw at the beginning of that tunnel.
It’s the same light. It’s all the same light.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you see rabbis there?

NATAN:
I saw Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, yes. But he was among everyone else.
He was just a chunk of light – just light, like a really big and beautiful light.
It wasn’t like all the people there they showed me, that looked like they do in this world, dressed nicely and everything. He just looked like a chunk of light. Just, he was all light.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How did you know it was him?

NATAN:
The moment you see a soul – a soul is also without arms, legs, eyes, a head, and all that – there’s nothing. It doesn’t have that. You just see – like, it’s the color – I’ll tell you approximately – it’s this yellow white color. A sort of spirit.
It doesn’t have eyes, it doesn’t have a mouth. It doesn’t have anything.
You know who it is. He doesn’t talk to you. You just know who it is.
You hear his voice, you know who it is. You can talk to him.
You know what he did during his lifetime. You know everything about him.
You also know where he is.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
On sins between a man and his fellow man – how can one atone for them?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did you see there, like, relatives?

NATAN:
I saw people there. Yes. I saw my grandfather. And he was pretty happy, according to what I, like…he was content there, and I also shook his hand and all.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Who was this?

NATAN:
My grandfather. Yes. And I also saw my mother’s grandmother there.

RABBI LEVY:
So hold on. Just a second. There are people who you can see in their regular form there?
Who you see and you know that this is grandfather, grandmother…
And that’s a relative. And on the other hand, you say, “I see light. He doesn’t have – he doesn’t have a face, but I know who it is.”

NATAN:
You know who it is.

RABBI LEVY:
And in the Heavenly Court, you say there were three judges in the court.
And this court was made up of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef,

NATAN:
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef,

RABBI LEVY:
He sat in the middle?

NATAN:
Rabbi Eliyashiv….

RABBI LEVY:
He sat in the middle?

NATAN:
Yes. He was in the middle.

RABBI LEVY:
He presided in the court.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
You said, Rabbi Eliyashiv.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
The third you don’t remember.

NATAN:
No. I don’t remember.

RABBI LEVY:
If we say names, might you be able to remember?

NATAN:
Yes. Say names.

RABBI LEVY:
Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
The Ben Ish Chai?

RABBI LEVY:
The Ben Ish Chai?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Rabbi Shach?

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Rabbi Kaduri?

NATAN:
Rabbi Kaduri!

RABBI LEVY:
Rabbi Kaduri! Rabbi Kaduri.

RABBI LEVY:
Rabbi Kaduri is the third one.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How does a person merit to have judges like them?

RABBI LEVY:
No. It’s not that he had the merit to have such judges.
Because each generation has its judges. Each generation has its scholars.
People who died one thousand years ago met in the Heavenly Court the Rambam.
We won’t meet the Rambam there. That’s it.
And also each generation has its scholars and its judges.
They, they themselves judge their generation.
So in the court is something that changes.
The Zohar writes, it says there are 24 types of Heavenly Courts.
Not only one court. There are 24 types.
There is the Heavenly Court for people who died, who are buried.
And they go to be judged there.
There is a court for non-Jews.
There is a court for souls, for when a memorial service is held for them ever year – and during the memorial service, they are brought before a Heavenly court. That’s already a different court.
There’s another court where it is decreed what will happen in the world.
There are 24 types – 24 kinds of courts.
The judges who reside in them there – those who judge our generation are our scholars.
But the other judges – it doesn’t have to be scholars who were here in this world.
They can also be like angels, and the Holy One and His court, God and His court.

NATAN:
Ah, he asked which people there said I was a Righteous one.
Like, who those people were.
So, in that hall there were thousands of people. A lot. Even people I don’t know. Tons of souls. Lots and lots of people. And they just said, like, “Righteous one, Righteous one”.

RABBI LEVY:
On every good deed you did they called you a Righteous one.
And on every sin you committed they called you wicked. How does it work together?
Payment for every good deed. Payment for every sin.
Every person who goes up there, arrives there with a file. They open the file and look.
What does he have? Sins? He’s going to go get cleaned up.
Good deeds, and to get for that reward. And wait for the resurrection of the dead.
There is no righteous man in the land who does not sin.
If he paid for his sins here in this world, he will ascend pure and clean, and they won’t do anything to him. If he repented for it, they won’t mention any of it to him.
But if a person had a combination of things, so they start to sort it out there.
They start to show him, this is a good deed, this is a sin.
For this you will be punished, and for the good deed you will be rewarded.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
And people who repented for sins against their fellow man.

RABBI LEVY:
Yes, yes. If he suffers – I will explain this. The Rambam already said it.
The Rambam says that a person who repents, part of his repentance is suffering.
It just depends on what he did. If it’s – if he violated positive commandments, then Yom Kippur will atone for it, on condition that he repents and is sorry about it.
At the height of Yom Kippur it’s atoned.
If his sins are negative commandments, so the repentance is contingent upon his being made to suffer a few more tribulations, and Yom Kippur atones.
And if his sins were those that deserve excommunication and court ordered death, then his repentance is contingent upon purification through Yom Kippur and suffering.
He must suffer in order to be cleansed of that.
And afterwards he becomes one who has repented.
And there is something that is called “Desecration of God’s Name”,
Only death can atone for that.
A person who desecrated God’s name, he also must repent. And also suffer.
And also observe Yom Kippur. And death. And then it is atoned for, after death, if he repented, then one instance of “The Desecration of God’s Name” is atoned for.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
The hidden righteous men, are they also concealed from Israel in the next world?

RABBI LEVY:
Listen once again. And again. You – you can ask our holy Sages these questions.
What is – you came here for one thing. Are you going to repent, or not?
You! You are the religious ones. Yes. Are you repenting, or not?
Don’t ask questions about others.
Ask about yourself. Do I meet these criteria? Do I study The Torah? Do I observe the commandments? Do I perform acts of kindness? Or am I done for? That’s the question.
What do I care about some other guy? You can also notice that he also said, “I ascended, ascended, ascended – nothing interested me.”
I could have known where this was, and where that was, and what was happening.
I could have known everything. But it didn’t interest me.
It interested me what they were going to do with me there. They weighed me.
They put me on the scale. They weighed me.
There are some people who came back from there, after they cried when they weighed them, and their scales were more or less neither here nor there.
Now we need to understand that there, if a person if found to be guilty, so he is sentenced to death. And the death is eternal death.
A person who is executed here, we learned from Rabban Yochanan ben Zakai who said that he cried before he died – he said that if it was a flesh and blood king, I would go to him, and I could bribe him. But what can I use to bribe God?
And if a flesh and blood king kills me, so I was sentenced to death, and I earn a place the Next World! I am going to God.
I have The Garden of Eden. But if it’s the blessed Lord who sentences me to death, where will I go afterwards? It’s eternal death.
And that is what a man must take to heart, to think about.
Does he meet those criteria or does he not meet those criteria?
God judges him and gives him opportunities – more and more and more – to repent.
To fix your actions. At least be serious about this.
Get a hold of yourself, take this seriously. Stop thinking that it’s nothing, that it isn’t anything. And that it – I didn’t do anything. That isn’t right. That isn’t right.
Here he explains – and many others explain – on every second of your life you will be forced to give an accounting.
Gentlemen, these things only strengthen what our Sages said.
Our Sages say that God will demand of every single person until-until,
Job says – “until I swallow my spit”.
You will even give an accounting for that. The Gaon of Vilna says, “Why an accounting?”
Judgment for the act, and an accounting – how many good deeds could you have done in that one moment that you didn’t do anything?

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Evil Gossip…

RABBI LEVY:
Evil Gossip is something very serious.
Evil Gossip – the Talmud in Tractate “Arachim”, on page 15, says, anyone who speaks Evil Gossip, God says to the Minister of Hell – I above and you below, we will judge him together.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Gossip about an evil man?

RABBI LEVY:
Evil Gossip…once again here. You need to learn the laws of Evil Gossip.
But sometimes yes, it is an evil person. Or to caution the public about him.
There are conditions. I won’t go into all those laws right now.
In The Torah – I explain this many times.
In The Torah everything is permitted and everything is forbidden.
There is nothing that is fully permitted. There is nothing that is fully forbidden.
Everything is permitted and everything is forbidden.
Any example that you give me, any commandment that you give me, I will tell you when it is permitted and I will tell you when it is forbidden.
Anything that you tell me is “forbidden”, I will tell you when it’s permitted.
Everything we learn, it’s every good deed.
It is only permissible up to a point, and from there it is forbidden.
Up until here it’s forbidden, and from here on it’s permitted.
That all we learn, so with regard to Evil Gossip it’s the same thing.
Like the Sabbath. We must keep it. But when there is a life and death situation, so Maran writes that the faster one violates the Sabbath in a life and death situation – the more it can be said about him “he is indeed praiseworthy”.
Suddenly, someone who brakes the Sabbath is praiseworthy. Why? He is saving lives.
That is something very great, so it’s permitted. For every good deed.
You need to learn it.
Rabbi Ovadia, may he rest in peace, would speak Evil Gossip about evil people.
And he called them names, and there was no problem.
Because it’s permitted.
They are sinners, and cause others to sin. It’s ok. It’s permitted to speak about them.
There are those who say that it is not even permissible to speak well of them.
To speak in praise of those who cause others to sin – it is forbidden to say good things about them at all. And it’s a good deed to say bad things about them.
It depends who. But we can’t just say that because somebody annoyed me, he is an evil person and I can talk about him.
That’s not allowed. We need to know the rules very well.
And if someone fails, so in Heaven they show him what he failed at, and at what he did not.
In conclusion I want to ask Natan here a final question. He says that they showed him all of his actions – and he is only fifteen years and one month old.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
How long ago did this occur…?

RABBI LEVY:
They showed him – this past Monday. It happened three days ago.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
In what way has he changed? In what way has he changed?

RABBI LEVY:
We can’t repeat things that we already discussed in the beginning.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
What has changed about him?

RABBI LEVY:
It’s a process. It’s a process.
I also, when I repented, I was – I was full of fire. With jeans. And very colorful. I was fire.
With jeans and colors. It’s a process.
It’s not hocus pocus. The decision is one made in one’s heart.
The clothing – he came to me like this yesterday. With God’s help, he will have clothing.
He doesn’t have clothing. This is the way he dressed.
This is his way of dressing, this is the way he dressed all the time.
This is his clothing, and he will put on other clothes.
And don’t interrupt, just please don’t sidetrack the – don’t sidetrack the subject.
So they showed him all his actions, one by one.
I want to ask Natan – I asked him and I ask him here in front of everyone.
If you would have known – they show you meat – they tell you that the meat is not kosher.
A forbidden carcass. Would you eat it?

NATAN:
No.

RABBI LEVY:
You wouldn’t eat it.
And now you say that in that moment that they showed you your whole life, there, up above,
Every single thing – they also showed you the times you failed unintentionally.
Did you also fail with regard to non-kosher meat?

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
Do you know if you also failed with regard to forbidden foods?

NATAN:
I know it for certain. Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
But everywhere you went and entered you knew that here it is kosher. So it’s permissible to eat.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And nevertheless, there was non-kosher meat there.

NATAN:
Despite that, yes.

NATAN:
And there was even a sign saying kosher, kosher, and it wasn’t.

RABBI LEVY:
It said in writing it was kosher, but there was non-kosher meat there.

NATAN:
Yes.

RABBI LEVY:
And in the upper world – in the upper world – they show – they show that it’s – that all that eating was – was non-kosher meat.

NATAN:
But not all of it. There were places that were ok.

RABBI LEVY:
But there were also place that were not.

NATAN:
Yes.
Most of it was ok, but there were places that were not.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Did they also shout, “Evil one, evil one”?

NATAN:
Yes.. and on every single sin”.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
But it was unintentional.

NATAN:
Unintentional. Unintentional.

RABBI LEVY:
Yes, Gentlemen. That is also advice of the evil inclination. Unintentional, unintentional.
If someone unintentionally drinks poison, he dies. You know that.
And someone who accidentally falls off the roof will be visiting the orthopedist very quickly.
And he can’t tell the doctor, “Accidental, Accidental. I fell off the roof accidentally.
There they might put him in hell accidentally.
Everything there is conducted according to “an eye for an eye”.

MAN IN AUDIENCE:
Was he judged from age thirteen, or not?

RABBI LEVY:
He was judged…no. We know that also Rashi – parshat b’Midbar – that until – under age twenty there is – not an exemption, but there is a “discount”.
I once brought to the Yazdim synagogue someone who – it happened to him after age twenty.
And that is something else altogether. Someone who goes through such an experience after age twenty – he sees totally different things.
And his screams are louder, and his punishment is worse. Avi Chajani said that he cried so much there. That if he could have taken a pool, he could have filled that pool with all the tears he cried there. Out of sorrow.
[the mourner’s prayer]